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Compensator makes AW now?
Buddy just sent me some grainy screenshot of his computer and he is saying that the new regs state "if any flash can be redirected its a suppressor" and claims there is no mention of compensators....hence compensators now make assault weapons.
I come before the orcacle of Calguns because this dude is a one-man FUD factory and I seek clarification. What say ye? |
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If it reduces flash it's a flash hider, if it doesn't then you are good.
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This seems to be the way DOJ has backed into the expired federal AW ban where you couldn't even purchase an AR with a threaded barrel. I see a lot of inadvertent felons on the horizon...
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Existing CCR:
https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Doc...ta=(sc.Default) § 5469. Definitions. 11 CA ADC § 5469BARCLAYS OFFICIAL CALIFORNIA CODE OF REGULATIONS The following definitions apply to terms used in the identification of assault weapons pursuant to Penal Code section 30515: Proposed regs add on to b) above... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...ulation%20.pdf "Flash suppressor" means anv device attached to the'end of the barrel, that is designed,intended, or functions to perceptibly reduce or redirect muzzle flash from the shooter'sfield of vision. A hybrid device that has either advertised flash su~pressin~properties orfunctionally has flash suppressingproperties would be deemed a flash suppressor. Adevice labeled or identified by its manufacturer as a flash hider would be deemed a flashsuppressor. The core element of "functions to perceptibly reduce or redirect muzzle flash from the shooter's field of vision" seems to have not changed. -- Michael |
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The PC definition is very similar as from SB23, but the expanded rationale from the DOJ to include the characteristics of a "hybrid device" would seem to support the inclusion of some muzzle brakes as flash suppressors. This is something that they struggled with when the DOJ wrote the SB23 regulations at a time when the DOJ wasn't nearly as hostile as they are today.
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A muzzle brake with side ports is still perfectly fine. It is not designed, intended or functions to perceptible redirect muzzle flash from the shooters field of vision. Just because the flash goes sideways, the flash is still completely in the field of view. (b) “Flash suppressor” means any device designed, intended, or that functions to perceptibly reduce or redirect muzzle flash from the shooter's field of vision. |
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A flash suppressor, also known as a flash guard, flash eliminator, flash hider, or flash cone, is a device attached to the muzzle of a rifle that reduces its visible signature while firing by cooling or dispersing the burning gases that exit the muzzle, a phenomenon typical of carbine-length weapons. A.W.D.
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This is the truly dangerous part - "perceptibly" - to who or what? Since it's undefined it could mean perceptible to greater than 50% of an appropriately sized sample group of humans or it could mean detectable by computer assisted imaging 10,000x more sensitive than the human eye. There's a huge amount of leeway in that single line of statute, such that basically any muzzle device could be a flash suppressor statutorily - and you can expect the legal apparatus to utilize that gray area in their favor. Just another law that has no real grounding in anything other than control over the law abiding.
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That's why you won't ever see anyone tried for just having some random muzzle device on the end of a barrel. It has leeway, but it goes both ways and there's too much ambiguity. A whole case will never revolve over just that one piece. |
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The DOJ is staffed with legal professionals who work on many different subject matters. They are not out to get us. The deluded fanatics in Excremento are the ones hostile to us. You do not understand how bad it could be if the DOJ really was out to get us. |
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What about those with 14.5" barrels with pinned/welded flash suppressors/compensators to make the required 16"? I guess we're heading to the gunsmith with a hope and prayer they don't damage our barrels removing and installing what, per say to stay legal?
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**** them. I'm over these games. I keep a close eye on the equity that my house is gaining and am planning my exit. CA has been my home my whole life. My friends, family and career are all here. But my freedom isn't and that's more important to me. I don't want to run the risk of being put behind bars despite my best efforts to comply with the new BS laws because I get the wrong person evaluating my rifle's muzzle device.
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ANY DOJ member is welcome to stand downrange to check flash suppression.
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Which really pisses me off because I have a Lantac Dragon (which works fantastic in a 308AR) and I've been advised by many that when the device was first advertised it mentioned flash reduction, which it doesn't anymore. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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This is far reaching. So you have a customized Mini-14 which is still NOT part of the AW law and just like SB23 you had to make sure the device on the end of the barrel did not make it a AW, since it looks like what is a flash suppressor has been expanded, you are back in the depends "what is is" category.
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The situation you describe is one which really sucks. Changing the rules after the game has started is total BS.
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Don't get featureless and BB rifles confused. |
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First off this is not a law, it is a regulation to help clarify and provide guidance to DAs and is not part of the new law requiring BB registration that was voted on and passed by the State Legislature. That alone is a point of contention to be addressed in court in the days to come.
Second "Field of View" is vague and ambiguous. What/How is field of view determined? There is no definition provided in the regs similar to the many other definition provide that outline this or "standardizes" its meaning and method of testing. Before one can determined what "perceived" is one must know what "Field of View" is. Is "Field of View" determined with both eyes open, one eye open looking through iron sights, both eyes open looking through a red dot, one eye open looking through a red dot or one eye open looking through a magnified optic, what lighting level, from the side, top, front or back? = Vague and Ambiguous. My .02 cent |
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"He beats me, but he still feeds me dinner and lets me sleep in the bed. He doesn't have to do that, you know." |
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^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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No. If you register it it's fine. You could even keep an actual flash hider on it. It's those of us who are going the featureless route that might have an issue.
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Thanks! Way to much information out there right now. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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It appears to me that the DOJ has only further defined a "flash suppressor" to remove confusion that can be had with certain muzzle devises. There are muzzle brakes out there that also include flash suppressor "fingers" off the end and most are advertised as compensator/flash hiders. This is what I believe they are making sure are considered a flash hider:
http://www.tacticallink.com/assets/i...6/SAM_1971.jpg |
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The BCMGUNFIGHTER Compensator Mod 0-5.56 This Compensator was not designed as a gamers comp. It was designed for tactical applications to reduce muzzle rise, flash signature, noise, and lateral pressure. The BCMGUNFIGHTER Compensator Mod 1 - 5.56 Tuned slots and interior cone offer maximum in recoil mitigations, compensation of muzzle-rise, and flash reduction. A.W.D.
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The brake on the Scout is not a flash hider. Most other models have a flash hider.
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From the video that I just watched it definitely does not hide any flash.
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