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Old 02-06-2009, 1:14 PM
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Default What if someone started an Armored Car Company to sell Large Capacity Magazines?

What I can't figure is why someone hasn't started up an Armored Car Company expressly for the purpose of selling large capacity mags in CA?

Roll those armored cars stuffed to the gills with large capacity mags up to every gun show. Roll the armored cars to the bank afterwards, loaded with cash.

You could stop at grocery stores and other shops on the way to the bank and help them with transporting their money to the bank as well.

But you'd make most of your money selling large capacity mags, legally.
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12020 (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:
(2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine.
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(27) The sale of, giving of, lending of, importation into this state of, or purchase of, any large-capacity magazine, to or by entities that operate armored vehicle businesses pursuant to the laws of this state.

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did you forget its illegal to sell standard cap mags in CA?
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Two words: legal fees.

The state would immediately prosecute for a huge list of felonies (every mag you sold would be one, plus they'd tack on fraud, conspiracy, and a bunch of other charges) and in the unlikely event that they lost at trial, they would appeal all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary, costing you hundreds of thousands of dollars while sitting in jail for a protracted legal battle. And there's a pretty good chance the courts would rule in their favor, saying that despite the fact that the law says you can sell them, the clear intent was that they were not to be sold to civilians.
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It is not illegal for armored car companies to sell high capacity magazines...

least that is what I had read somewhere...
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who knows, if Nordyke doesn't pan out, we might just find out.
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did you forget its illegal to sell standard cap mags in CA?
Not for an armored car company.

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What I can't figure is why someone hasn't started up an Armored Car Company expressly for the purpose of selling large capacity mags in CA?

Roll those armored cars stuffed to the gills with large capacity mags up to every gun show. Roll the armored cars to the bank afterwards, loaded with cash.

You could stop at grocery stores and other shops on the way to the bank and help them with transporting their money to the bank as well.

But you'd make most of your money selling large capacity mags, legally.
The armored car company has to be an actual, operating armored car company.

Give it two weeks.
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What I can't figure is why someone hasn't started up an Armored Car Company expressly for the purpose of selling large capacity mags in CA?

Roll those armored cars stuffed to the gills with large capacity mags up to every gun show. Roll the armored cars to the bank afterwards, loaded with cash.

You could stop at grocery stores and other shops on the way to the bank and help them with transporting their money to the bank as well.

But you'd make most of your money selling large capacity mags, legally.
Will the armored car play a little jingle as it rolls down the street, and have a clown on top?


"Oooh! Oooh! Oooh! The Mag Man is coming!"

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what are you, kids? Just who do you imagine they'd be selling to? Not the private retail market, that's illegal in this state.
Their only legit customers would be govt / LEO.
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No, the point of the armored car business is that the PC does not appear to limit Large Capacity Magazine sales to/from an armored car company. If that is the case, then they would be able to sell to the public.
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All the Right People seem to think this is not worth it because Nordyke is likely to not only fix the problem for real, but be faster and so on. But....

Supposing this was done, I am quite sure that selling them like ice-cream off a truck is exactly the way to get a judge to interpret away the letter of the law. Instead of being over-eager gunnies, these things always seem to go step-by-step. Let me try to think of a way:

First, create your company, and operate it just like all the other companies for a while. Establish a track record of being a legitimate, profitable business.

Then sell hi-caps to LEO's. This isn't so likely to raise eyebrows, but you're establishing that you can do this as part of your business.

Then, perhaps sell hi-cap mags to your employees. That is obviously business related, and you're selling them instead of having them use company mags to save money. Establish that this is within the law.

Then perhaps sell to employees of the companies you do business with. I'm not sure if ordinary security guards can get them other ways, but if not sell to them. Or sell to jewelers; they are presumably *not* under any exemption, but could arguably need them. Note that these are in some way related to your business; you are offering an additional service, a value-add, and doing so to people who can use them. You could even insist they have a CCW so as to mollify DAs who may accept a need that the local Sheriff recognizes in another way. Again, establish this as a legitimate and legal activity.

And so on, until you have solid legal precedent before selling to a random civilian.

Now, assuming such a thing works, how long is it going to take? Quite a while? Maybe better to wait for Nordyke and challenge directly, huh?

I assume that is why the Right People are not trying this avenue yet, so far as I know.

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Right, everything I've heard is tht they are waiting for other stuff like Nordyke to get ruled on, and if in the end, the large cap mag ban is not lifted, then Operation Armored Car Magazine Sales goes into effect.
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what are you, kids? Just who do you imagine they'd be selling to? Not the private retail market, that's illegal in this state.
Their only legit customers would be govt / LEO.
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what are you, kids? Just who do you imagine they'd be selling to? Not the private retail market, that's illegal in this state.
Their only legit customers would be govt / LEO.
That's incorrect
If you re-read the law they are exempt from the buying and the selling period.
It is what they call a loophole
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Supposing this was done, I am quite sure that selling them like ice-cream off a truck is exactly the way to get a judge to interpret away the letter of the law. Instead of being over-eager gunnies, these things always seem to go step-by-step.
Yes I know... Though I don't think a judge would be able to shut it down, you can bet the legistature would jump on it. The media would scream "loophole!".

However, I just couldn't resist the visual.

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Yes I know... Though I don't think a judge would be able to shut it down, you can bet the legistature would jump on it. The media would scream "loophole!".

However, I just couldn't resist the visual.

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Its possible that the loophole might get closed but not before we could load up the new generation with 10+ rnd magazines
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Good luck, but I don't think that loophole would be big enough to fit through.

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FWIW, the cheapest armored delivery vehicle (vs. armord pimptastic escalade) I could find on the internet was for $23K.

http://www.securityprousa.com/armoredgmcvan.html
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$23,900.00

Legal issues aside, that's a lot of mags to sell in order to make up that cash.
From what I've read, the first step after convincing yourself that this is a good idea, you will need to convince the California Highway Patrol and Public Utilities Commission to give you a license.

Good luck with that.
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Legal issues aside, that's a lot of mags to sell in order to make up that cash.
If the company sold at twice normal MSRP they'd have a pretty decent margin. I'd happily pay that price, and I could see myself spending 1 to 2K on magazines.

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what are you, kids? Just who do you imagine they'd be selling to? Not the private retail market, that's illegal in this state.
Their only legit customers would be govt / LEO.
Thats classic Please read the PC before dishing out intended insults.
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I've added an excerpt from the penal code to my original post. The operative verbiage (please note: I am not a lawyer) seems to be:
Yeah, it's been discussed a lot.
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Yeah, it's been discussed a lot.
So, ummm... any plans to become, oh, I don't know... The Bad Humor Man?

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Bad Humor Man.... hahaha kinda reminds of Cheech and Chongs Nice Dreams but with hicaps!
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then can i start a LLC to purchse these mags from this armored car company then pass ownership of the LLC to my family?
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Good luck, but I don't think that loophole would be big enough to fit through.
Have you read it ?
Its pretty clear that armored cars are exempt from buying as well as selling
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Like I said, give it two weeks.
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Why buy an armored car?

I would do an Animal House and make a replica "death car".

All you need is a beat up 1965 Lincoln Continental, some plate steel and spray paint.
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If you employ the search function you will find that the entirety of using an armored car to sell large-capacity magazines (even equipped with the ice cream truck music) has been fully hashed out.

The law says that armored vehicle businesses can sell large-capacity magazines to anyone.

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It's doable but may not be necessary (and thus wasted resources).

Do remember that the armored car service should be a fully licensed, legit biz w/real armored cars, legit non-magazine customers. and staffed by folks with current guard cards.

Nevertheless, if we do do it I have promised to provide a bell from an ice cream truck for the armored car(s).

And it would probably be the first-ever armored car service with lawyers in the passenger seats.
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FWIW, the cheapest armored delivery vehicle (vs. armord pimptastic escalade) I could find on the internet was for $23K.

http://www.securityprousa.com/armoredgmcvan.html
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$23,900.00

Legal issues aside, that's a lot of mags to sell in order to make up that cash.
From what I've read, the first step after convincing yourself that this is a good idea, you will need to convince the California Highway Patrol and Public Utilities Commission to give you a license.

Good luck with that.
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If you ran a legitimate armored car company, I think you could make up $23K quickly enough to not be a factor. The selling of standard-cap mags would simply be another service which your company would provide. You wouldn't necessarily have to sell the mags out of the back of the AC, although that would be fun to watch. Theoretically speaking, of course.
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It might be easyer looking for an armered car service on the brink of bankrupcy. Have him start a side line business.
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Now this is why I like this board. Hack that law like a pimply faced youth hacks a computer!

I'll buy from the Bad Humor Man, and I'll put some money up for the defense.

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Fun to think about, but financially unfeasable to set up a legit, fully licensed, bonded, and insured company to sell magazines.

Besides, how long do you think it would take the bozos in Sac to amend the law? A couple of days maybe? Remember, it would be something they want to do.
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23 grand? That's all? Heck, if every Calguns member (over 21k last I looked) gave a buck and some change, we'd be there!
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What was the reasoning to just allow armored car companies to sell hi cap magazines? Was this some political give and take?
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23 grand? That's all? Heck, if every Calguns member (over 21k last I looked) gave a buck and some change, we'd be there!
You don't need to "buy," just lease it for as long as needed.

There are additional costs, as well. The biggest would be lawyers and payroll for real guards.

Other complications include running it as a legit armored car service.

It's not as easy as proposed. I remember making this pic about 2yrs ago...
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I didn't see the phrase "armored vehicle businesses pursuant to the laws
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And it would probably be the first-ever armored car service with lawyers in the passenger seats.


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what are you, kids? Just who do you imagine they'd be selling to? Not the private retail market, that's illegal in this state.
Their only legit customers would be govt / LEO.
That's actually... not true....
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Why do you need an armored car for an armored car service? Just start it in Alameda county. If you can have a gun show without guns surely the county attorney would understand an armored car company without an armored car.

But if you really want to spend $23K on an armored car might as well go up to $24K and get this one: http://tinyurl.com/buzm8r
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Now this is why I like this board. Hack that law like a pimply faced youth hacks a computer!

I'll buy from the Bad Humor Man, and I'll put some money up for the defense.

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