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Officials in Connecticut Stunned by What Could Be a Massive, State-Wide Act of ‘Civil Disobedience’ by Gun Owners
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...-disobedience/

Gun Owners Refuse to Register Under New York Law
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...r-new-york-law

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Colorado Gun Magazine Ban Goes Unenforced, Good People Don’t Care & Shouldn’t
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...-disobedience/

Gun Owners Refuse to Register Under New York Law
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...r-new-york-law

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I heard Adam Winkler on NPR say that the magazine bans in Sunnyvale and Los Angeles are being completely ignored. I intend to do the same.
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Who is going to enforce these gun laws?
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I forsee 300 million guns being lost in unfortunate boating incidents. What a tragic mass coincidence.
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Who is going to enforce these gun laws?
The local LE, among the other laws they enforce.
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All of you who will obey these unjust, unconstitutional laws will be accomplices to injustice.

Remember: the progressive-fascist lawmakers in Sacramento can pass whatever laws they want to oppress and infringe on our rights. But if us, free citizens refuse to obey those laws en-masse there is nothing they can do.

And what they can do, really? How many prisons do they need to build for the millions of us?
That is just it...There won't be millions.
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That is just it...There won't be millions.
There are millions of illegal aliens in this state, and unless they've been caught committing a crime other than being in the country illegally, they are not in prison. Quite the contrary - they can get state driver licenses, receive medical and other social benefits, and can attend college at in-state tuition rates. And there is no government effort to change this situation, the government in fact encourages it.

Gun owners need to be the new illegals - undocumented firearm possessors if you will.

As a side note, how do self declared sanctuary cities reconcile their disregard for state and federal law with an individual's disregard for their laws - ie ignoring the LA standard size magazine ban?

I also have to wonder how this state views a gun owning illegal alien. Heads must spin over that one.
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Without the black market, tavern meetings and smuggling, This country might still be under the rule of the English Crown.... just sayin.
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There are millions of illegal aliens in this state, and unless they've been caught committing a crime other than being in the country illegally, they are not in prison. Quite the contrary - they can get state driver licenses, receive medical and other social benefits, and can attend college at in-state tuition rates. And there is no government effort to change this situation, the government in fact encourages it.

Gun owners need to be the new illegals - undocumented firearm possessors if you will.

As a side note, how do self declared sanctuary cities reconcile their disregard for state and federal law with an individual's disregard for their laws - ie ignoring the LA standard size magazine ban?

I also have to wonder how this state views a gun owning illegal alien. Heads must spin over that one.
Interesting. And yes, an Illegal alien is much larger than a magazine...
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Same chit - different year

People that truly give a crap about their rights - don't sit here and B!tch about them being taken away - and how the Constitution says they are entitled - and how they will make a difference....

That's the same as burger flippers saying it's too expensive to raise a family in CA.

If you want change in your life... Do something to make a difference (in YOUR life)... If that's not possible at this time, work towards changing your situation... If you are unwilling to do those things - then deal with what you have.

This never-ending cycle of BS is getting people nowhere...

Business models resulted in billions moving out (they didnt stay here and bytch about the system, they left and continued productivity)...

Continuing the same BS cycle will resolve nothing. DONT ENGAGE.

If you arent content with your situation, change it. But stop playing games convincing yourself a difference is being made... You are feeding the downward spiral... DONT ENGAGE.

It's not TWITTER and FACEBOOK and MSM and your FAVORITE SPORTS TEAM or TMZ or KARDASHIANS.... stop feeding the BS and make a change...

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Same old B.S. Not impossible to find a bag of weed, why should this be any different.
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There are millions of illegal aliens in this state, and unless they've been caught committing a crime other than being in the country illegally, they are not in prison. Quite the contrary - they can get state driver licenses, receive medical and other social benefits, and can attend college at in-state tuition rates. And there is no government effort to change this situation, the government in fact encourages it.

Gun owners need to be the new illegals - undocumented firearm possessors if you will.

As a side note, how do self declared sanctuary cities reconcile their disregard for state and federal law with an individual's disregard for their laws - ie ignoring the LA standard size magazine ban?

I also have to wonder how this state views a gun owning illegal alien. Heads must spin over that one.
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Same old B.S. Not impossible to find a bag of weed, why should this be any different.
Because Hillary will win, liberal judge will be appointed and California LEO's will still want their pensions..
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Because Hillary will win, liberal judge will be appointed and California LEO's will still want their pensions..
What is the purpose of these posts? Are you here to quell the rebellious natives? To make us think we're in the minority with plans to be non-compliant? You go ahead and comply, but stop projecting your poor opinion of gun owners onto the rest of us.
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That is just it...There won't be millions.
If as few as 10% do not comply, there will be 800,000 new criminals. Current prison population is 128,000 and they are setting convicts free.

While the authorities may take down an obvious target for public relations, it is impossible to put everyone they want into prison.
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If as few as 10% do not comply, there will be 800,000 new criminals. Current prison population is 128,000 and they are setting convicts free.

While the authorities may take down an obvious target for public relations, it is impossible to put everyone they want into prison.
Have at it. And, in the spirit of the 10%, "you first".
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Civil disobedience requires either massive numbers doing it, together, or a supportive general public. Otherwise it's just all risk and no reward.

Yeah you can disobey the new unjust laws about to come pressing down upon us. But then you live under the constant risk of discovery, prosecution, and permanent loss of the rest of your gun rights.

What good is a gun that you can't take out and shoot without risk of arrest? What good is a gun that if you use it for self defense, you will be arrested and charged for using?

It's like the war on drugs. It gives the government another way to arrest and prosecute people for no good reason and add them to the parole/probation system so that they have no rights. If they could have their way there would only be 3 classes of people - politicians, police, and parolees.
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If as few as 10% do not comply, there will be 800,000 new criminals. Current prison population is 128,000 and they are setting convicts free.

While the authorities may take down an obvious target for public relations, it is impossible to put everyone they want into prison.
Non-compliance is all fine and good. But is everyone willing to turn every encounter with LE while going to/from or at the range into a probable arrest/confiscation for their "righteous civil disobedience"? I am by no means agreeing with any of the current and possible future draconian laws that we have to deal with. I'm just asking if that's worth it.

Still gonna rock your now unregistered AW when you go out? Or is it going to become one of your safe ladies? You want to be the suit case that hopefully goes all the way to SCOTUS? Do you have the next 10 years to deal with that? If someone answers yes, then my hat is thoroughly off to you, my friend. I will donate to your legal fees. But for many, that just isn't an option.

It becomes comply venomously and go on living, or don't comply and live differently. Because no, they probably won't go door knocking anytime soon, but at the same time your stuff that was lost in that boating accident can't be taken out to shoot the paper and steel with.

Rock and a hard place. The curse of the law abiding and why we absolutely hate this kind of thing. And the totalitarian liberals laugh at us for it.
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Let's not forget California's resistance to the first ban.

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/24/us...pagewanted=all
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Let's not forget California's resistance to the first ban.

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/24/us...pagewanted=all
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LOS ANGELES, Dec. 23— Nine days before the deadline, thousands of Californians are defying a ground-breaking state requirement that they register their military-style semiautomatic guns.

Many gun owners are calling their defiance an act of political protest in the tradition of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Mahatma Gandhi. "If civil disobedience was good enough for Dr. King, it's good enough for me," said Mike Wright, a member of Gun Owners React Committee, a private lobbying group.

Like other members of the group, he said he was refusing to register his weapon, a Colt AR-15, the assault weapon that was known as the M-16 during the Vietnam War.

As a one-year registration period draws toward an end on Dec. 31, only about 7,000 weapons of an estimated 300,000 in private hands in the state have been registered. This non-compliance has virtually nullified the first step of a March 1989 law that set the pattern for similar attempts to limit ownership of assault rifles in other states and in Washington.
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Victimless crime/AW laws should be handled with Irish Democracy.

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Have at it. And, in the spirit of the 10%, "you first".
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Civil disobedience requires either massive numbers doing it, together, or a supportive general public. Otherwise it's just all risk and no reward.

Yeah you can disobey the new unjust laws about to come pressing down upon us. But then you live under the constant risk of discovery, prosecution, and permanent loss of the rest of your gun rights.

What good is a gun that you can't take out and shoot without risk of arrest? What good is a gun that if you use it for self defense, you will be arrested and charged for using?

It's like the war on drugs. It gives the government another way to arrest and prosecute people for no good reason and add them to the parole/probation system so that they have no rights. If they could have their way there would only be 3 classes of people - politicians, police, and parolees.
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Non-compliance is all fine and good. But is everyone willing to turn every encounter with LE while going to/from or at the range into a probable arrest/confiscation for their "righteous civil disobedience"? I am by no means agreeing with any of the current and possible future draconian laws that we have to deal with. I'm just asking if that's worth it.

Still gonna rock your now unregistered AW when you go out? Or is it going to become one of your safe ladies? You want to be the suit case that hopefully goes all the way to SCOTUS? Do you have the next 10 years to deal with that? If someone answers yes, then my hat is thoroughly off to you, my friend. I will donate to your legal fees. But for many, that just isn't an option.

It becomes comply venomously and go on living, or don't comply and live differently. Because no, they probably won't go door knocking anytime soon, but at the same time your stuff that was lost in that boating accident can't be taken out to shoot the paper and steel with.

Rock and a hard place. The curse of the law abiding and why we absolutely hate this kind of thing. And the totalitarian liberals laugh at us for it.
Gun prohibitionists and gun rights advocacy has no where else to go but confrontation. And instead of settling for some compromise somewhere between our borders like North and South Korea, this needs to be settled in our generation to see who will take the whole cake.

We must make a stand and stop ceding territory every legislative session - and overt defiance must be a play that we are willing to explore. Solidarity among our trusted gun owning friends. Solidarity at the range. If we all stand together we will never be disarmed.
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I heard Adam Winkler on NPR say that the magazine bans in Sunnyvale and Los Angeles are being completely ignored. I intend to do the same.
that has been going a lot longer than before those bans went into effect.
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There are millions of illegal aliens in this state, and unless they've been caught committing a crime other than being in the country illegally, they are not in prison. Quite the contrary - they can get state driver licenses, receive medical and other social benefits, and can attend college at in-state tuition rates. And there is no government effort to change this situation, the government in fact encourages it.

Gun owners need to be the new illegals - undocumented firearm possessors if you will.

As a side note, how do self declared sanctuary cities reconcile their disregard for state and federal law with an individual's disregard for their laws - ie ignoring the LA standard size magazine ban?

I also have to wonder how this state views a gun owning illegal alien. Heads must spin over that one.
I think the owners of unregistered guns should be able to have their kids go to college for free and receive medical for life.
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http://www.ammoland.com/2015/05/colo...#ixzz4Br9NncND

This sums it up perfectly.
Im not a sheep, I don't give a **** what laws they pass.

I will not comply. I live in a rural area, I personally know my sheriff and deputies, and not only are the drastically understaffed, they openly don't care unless you are breaking the law.

My biggest worry is stupid California legal beagle gun owners who would turn in their peers out of a fear that isn't there.
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I would love it if California gun retailers collectively did this. The thought of feeling like I live in a normal state would is so awesome.
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Lets say they pass that we can't have our bullet buttons and we all have to register our rifles, here are our options.

1. Register them

2. Don't register them, become an outlaw in the process. Saying your "Law Abiding except for guns" is no different than a Drug Addict saying that they are Law Abiding except for the "Unlicensed Drugs" they have.

3, Be one of the few, the proud, the "Tinfoil Insurgent". Guess how that is going to work out for you.

One thing the registration law will do is force all the gun owners who have been sitting on the sidelines doing nothing to actually make some choices.

I say the "responsible" thing is to register our guns, in fact we should form local teams so that way when we help gun owners register their guns with the state, they can also register themselves with our team.

If we play our cards right, we should be able to increase the number of gun activists in this state 50 fold. If people are pissed off enough, then they will actually do something.

Off election years tend to be "LOW VOTER" turnout. Best chance to clean California's house.

Nicki
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Excellent....I especially like that Jefferson guy.
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Lets say they pass that we can't have our bullet buttons and we all have to register our rifles, here are our options.

1. Register them

2. Don't register them, become an outlaw in the process. Saying your "Law Abiding except for guns" is no different than a Drug Addict saying that they are Law Abiding except for the "Unlicensed Drugs" they have.

3, Be one of the few, the proud, the "Tinfoil Insurgent". Guess how that is going to work out for you.

One thing the registration law will do is force all the gun owners who have been sitting on the sidelines doing nothing to actually make some choices.

I say the "responsible" thing is to register our guns, in fact we should form local teams so that way when we help gun owners register their guns with the state, they can also register themselves with our team.

If we play our cards right, we should be able to increase the number of gun activists in this state 50 fold. If people are pissed off enough, then they will actually do something.

Off election years tend to be "LOW VOTER" turnout. Best chance to clean California's house.

Nicki
The sideline gun owners can register their weapons if they so choose... it is just unfortunate that would take massive infringement upon civil liberties in order to get someone to wake up and get in the fight. I would prefer mass non-compliance to show how irrelevant our overlords are. Unfortunately, my guns were lost in a tragic boating accident so none of this applies to me.
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And we are wrapped with unjust laws, false flags and deception everyday.
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Unfortunately, unless a "Spock mind meld" was done to every single gun owner and we all did even just one thing in masse, nothing violent like actually shooting but could you imagine if all 100 million of us just peacefully marched down our various home town streets packing just 2 or 3 of our guns and carrying placards stating-"No More," or something similar? Well I kind of doubt we could pull off something like that but how about something really simple like wearing our NRA shirts, hats or whatever else we might have? I see very few gun stickers on cars. It's as though we are all trying to stay off the radar and keep a low profile. Even when I go to my local gun range and the lot has 40 or so vehicles, only a handful have any sort of stickers. Ok, maybe depending on our work situations it would be difficult wearing stuff there but what about on our free time? I personally have 9 stickers from 4 gun organizations on my vehicles. If anybody doesn't like it they can go f... themselves. I know it doesn't sound like much but damnit, let's make some noise!
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