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Old 04-15-2016, 10:54 AM
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Default SB 1235, De Leon, 2016, redefines ammunition, UPDATED: ammo permits / PASSED

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...01520160SB1235

SB 1235, as amended, De León. Ammunition.

Existing law defines the term “ammunition” for certain prohibited ammunition transactions to mean ammunition principally for use in handguns, as specified. Existing law makes the violation of those prohibited transactions a crime.

This bill would instead define the term “ammunition” for those and other purposes to mean one or more loaded cartridges consisting of a primer case, propellant, and with one or more projectiles.

By expanding the scope of an existing crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.

The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement.

This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason.

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Gutted and amended from a bill about public employee retirement. Not sure what he's up to with this one.
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Maybe he is going after about Ghost Bullets from 500 round magazine clips.
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Maybe he is going after about Ghost Bullets from 500 round magazine clips.
No, he's trying to make it illegal for 18-20 yo's to obtain rifle ammunition.
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Wouldn't this also make it illegal to ship projectiles or shells via USPS? Because, for those who don't know, USPS does not allow loaded ammunition.

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http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...01520160SB1235

SB 1235, as amended, De León. Ammunition.

Existing law defines the term “ammunition” for certain prohibited ammunition transactions to mean ammunition principally for use in handguns, as specified. Existing law makes the violation of those prohibited transactions a crime.

This bill would instead define the term “ammunition” for those and other purposes to mean one or more loaded cartridges consisting of a primer case, propellant, and with one or more projectiles.

By expanding the scope of an existing crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.

The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement.

This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason.

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Gutted and amended from a bill about public employee retirement. Not sure what he's up to with this one.
Good grief. It never ends with these people. We need to amend the California Constitution to require the legislators and governors that pass this tripe to personally reimburse citizens for costs imposed by this unconstitutional garbage. After a few rounds of being cleaned out by the law abiding citizen, I think that the legislators might start to take a closer look at what they were passing instead of the "aye" fest that is typically used to pass all of this stuff in the last moments of a legislative session.

While we're at it, we're long past due for a part time legislature - if infringing on our constitutional rights is all they can do with their spare time instead of looking to fix problems they and their predecessors created, then maybe they need to be earning a living out in the real world like the rest of us. Do that for 90% of their tenure in office, leaving them with a minimal amount of time to draft and pass truly needed legislation for the limited time that they are actually in session. Rationing them to two weeks a year ought to be enough.
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Wouldn't this also make it illegal to ship projectiles or shells via USPS? Because, for those who don't know, USPS does not allow loaded ammunition.

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lol, anyone still think they haven't gone full retard yet?
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Can someone explain this billing plain English, I don't understand it.
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Can someone explain this billing plain English, I don't understand it.
You want ammo, they want to ban it.
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Seriously...the California Legislature has NO AUTHORITY to redefine a firearm or ammunition. This is superseded by the ATF and Federal Law.

California Legislators don't care about the legality of laws they pass, they leave that out for the courts.
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Can someone explain this billing plain English, I don't understand it.
The douche bag leon is trying to restrict minors from purchasing any and all ammo. Previously restrictions only effected 'handgun ammunition'.

There may be other effects but this is what I'm reading here initially.


NO AMMO FOR THE CHILDREN BILL 2016!

It's literally NOT for the children.

eta: Maybe not, I've confused myself now. We'll see, hopefully someone has a better explanation.

etaa: Bouncing back and forth now but I think my original description is correct. 16150 defines 'ammunition' as used in 30300 to mean 'handgun ammunition' which is defined in 16650. Making non 'handgun ammunition' OK for purchase by minors. By changing the definition, he will prohibit minors from all ammunition purchases.


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etaa: Bouncing back and forth now but I think my original description is correct. 16150 defines 'ammunition' as used in 30300 to mean 'handgun ammunition' which is defined in 16650. Making non 'handgun ammunition' OK for purchase by minors. By changing the definition, he will prohibit minors from all ammunition purchases.

Current law reads:
I think you're right. The antis seem to have grasped the concept of a multi-pronged attack this year. Throw bill after bill at AR-15s, etc. It's not enough that Gavin's coming after the ammunition market by cutting it off at its knees with permits and taxes. de León just had to chime in and take a stab at it as well. Frankly, I'm surprised he didn't throw in the old SB 53 tax on top of this.

But its anyone's guess. I can't find any press releases on his homepage, and no mention of it on his Facebook or Twitter.
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So.... what's so bad about keeping ammo out of the hands of minors? Shouldn't they have adult supervision when using firearms anyways?
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Sounds like this might also apply to "armor-piercing" ammunition, thus rendering all rifle ammo prohibited.
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So.... what's so bad about keeping ammo out of the hands of minors? Shouldn't they have adult supervision when using firearms anyways?
How will this bill keep the ammo out of the hands of minors any more than the current laws do? Also, people from 18 to 21 are NOT minors.
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So.... what's so bad about keeping ammo out of the hands of minors? Shouldn't they have adult supervision when using firearms anyways?
Sure. Let's let them vote, enter into legal contracts and so forth, but it's just crazy to trust them with a box of .30-30.
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What is he up to with this?

Maybe he's putting it out there for comments then will use those comments for planning purposes.

Maybe the amendment is simply to establish something to come later.

I think this amendment is part of the puzzle he's putting together. As he isn't very bright he is likely acting in concert with, say a billionaire from NY.

Leftists are always changing word definitions.
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Good grief. It never ends with these people.
it will end and when it does millions of gun owners will be felons and in jail prior to that. all guns will be confiscated. it will be a monumental task of course but the end goal is confiscation period.
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It has to be related to the Newsome initiative, somehow. I just haven't figured out how, yet.

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it will end and when it does millions of gun owners will be felons and in jail prior to that. all guns will be confiscated. it will be a monumental task of course but the end goal is confiscation period.
Surely if we can deport 11,000,000 people then we can get all the guns, too. Are we sure they aren't all in concert?
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it will end and when it does millions of gun owners will be felons and in jail prior to that. all guns will be confiscated. it will be a monumental task of course but the end goal is confiscation period.
It will end, when "We The People" rise up and take our State back from these Tyrants.
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It has nothing to do with minors getting ammo.

Gun control is about control........Total control!!!!


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It will end, when "We The People" rise up and take our State back from these Tyrants.


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i'm well aware of the Declaration of Independence. but are you going to start it? no you will not. no one here will start anything.


while it is absolutely true that our government has gone off the rails and this state is prime example of it. the last 16 years have been full retard here. it didn't happen overnight it took decades to get to where we are but IMO it came to fruition in 2000 when the state went full retard.
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Really? Give it a rest. You know what this is about and it's outrageous.
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18 yr old MP military stationed in Ca can't have ammo in sidearm?
Maybe ca reps will tell Feds that ca residents are not allowed to sign up
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Really? Give it a rest. You know what this is about and it's outrageous.
When I speak of minors, I'm referring to a person of the age less than 18 years old, however after further digging, mind you I was reading some of these post while at work and didn't have time for actual research, but I finally figured out the reference about the 18-21 years of age and I think to myself, how bizarre. California's definition of a minor is really bizarre, because at the age of 18, you aren't a minor, you can join the military for God's sake. I'm wondering though, are military service members exempt from this outside duty status?

Anyways, just a misunderstanding of the idea of what a minor is for California I guess.
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When I speak of minors, I'm referring to a person of the age less than 18 years old, however after further digging, mind you I was reading some of these post while at work and didn't have time for actual research, but I finally figured out the reference about the 18-21 years of age and I think to myself, how bizarre. California's definition of a minor is really bizarre, because at the age of 18, you aren't a minor, you can join the military for God's sake. I'm wondering though, are military service members exempt from this outside duty status?

Anyways, just a misunderstanding of the idea of what a minor is for California I guess.
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This archaic thinking is what got us as gun owners into the mess that we are in. You, sir, are an absolute dolt.
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This archaic thinking is what got us as gun owners into the mess that we are in. You, sir, are an absolute dolt.
Thanks for not reading my last post, I clearly explain myself. No need for name calling.
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Thanks for not reading my last post, I clearly explain myself. No need for name calling.
Except that you're still misunderstanding. A minor is under 18. They can purchase ammunition that is not 'handgun ammunition' as defined. 18-21 can purchase 'handgun ammunition' if it will be used in a rifle.

ETA: OK, again, I believe I am completely wrong with my above statement. I'm so confused now, I will just wait for the dang public safety committee comments to understand what they're trying to do. Reading more, under 18 may NOT purchase any ammunition. Even if it was read the way I was previously interpreting it, feds seem to nip that anyway. Don't know why I was thinking that. Sorry guys...I did win a trial by written declaration once though.
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Except that you're still misunderstanding. A minor is under 18. They can purchase ammunition that is not 'handgun ammunition' as defined. 18-21 can purchase 'handgun ammunition' if it will be used in a rifle.
Still sounds like the state of California is calling 21 and unders are being treated like minors.... meh... whatever.... it all seems the same to me.
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Can't wait to see a press release for this one. "This... Is a brass casing... It holds 200,000 grains of powder per cubic inch second. 200... Thousand... Per cubic inch... Second... Bullet."
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Really?!

DeLeon is involved and your discussing it?

Just...say...NO.
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