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Old 02-23-2016, 8:53 AM
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I just got back to Los Angeles after spending six days in Sacremento training with Tactical Response.
The courses I attended were fighting pistol, fighting rifle, and advanced fighting rifle.
The course is combat oriented and I suggest that if you think you can fight and survive without taking a class like this you are mistaken.
The advanced class is based on special forces training and will work you over. The live fire and accomplishing field first aid and then applying cover to remove the shot personal is tough. The box training along with leap frog and bounding training was awesome. The Australia peal, stacking, etc all with live fire so take your ballistic kit.
I learned quite a bit with the team training segments and cover fire. The prone to standing position with rifle and pistol fire was also a learning experience, also fireing of the rifle from the prone position at 3, 6, 9 and 12 o'clock positions also up side down was awesome.
I have video but you should find it on u tube.
I am a better trained battle rifle and pistol fighter since this class and I encourage anyone who wants combat fight training to take this class.

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Old 02-23-2016, 9:12 AM
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I've seen pretty much all of Yeager's videos and have wanted to take his fighting pistol class. I'm very curious to hear about your experience with him and the other instructors, what you learned, the cost, etc.
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Tell me more about the "live fire" activities? If I'm not mistaken, this is the same guy that put a photographer down range to get shots of people shooting. Did you do anything that you thought was inherently unsafe?
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Tell me more about the "live fire" activities? If I'm not mistaken, this is the same guy that put a photographer down range to get shots of people shooting. Did you do anything that you thought was inherently unsafe?
That was Jay Gibson who had the camera downrange.
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That was Jay Gibson who had the camera downrange.
No idea who Jay Gibson is, but James Yeager did indeed have camera people at the target line on quite a few occasions. Apparently he's never heard of remotely operating a camera on a tripod.

Here's his response to people asking "wtf" in 2009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R3t0wuLDWQ

Here's a Tactical Response class with a camera man between targets again in 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np9j77NHxlk

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They teach you secret stuff I can't mention on line. The cost of each class is $550.00 and if you want to retake the class it's half the price.
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I have video if I knew how to put it up on this site I would the close in pistol fighting to clear is good training

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All I'm saying is if you get into a fire fight you better hope someone who has trained with tactical response is on your side to help.
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The box training has a few different segments first you and a partner stack and when your partner runs out of ammo he peals off behind you and reloads while you are pounding the target etc..., this is done with pistol and rifle.
There is one where your partner is shooting and that is all he is doing while walking forward and as soon as he runs into a barrel he says back and you direct him back and this is while you are reloading and as soon as he runs out he peals and you start shooting and he directs you while your fireing. There are many team combat drills so if you want to put in your big boy pants take the class
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They teach you secret stuff I can't mention on line. The cost of each class is $550.00 and if you want to retake the class it's half the price.
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All I'm saying is if you get into a fire fight you better hope someone who has trained with tactical response is on your side to help.

Oooh, secret squirrel stuff!

I heard tactical response is actually the civilian arm of the CIA detachment that provides enhanced warrior services to Delta operators...

I'm glad you had a good time and learned lots of new stuff.
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I heard tactical response is actually the civilian arm of the CIA detachment that provides enhanced warrior services to Delta operators...
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Leap frogging.....

Im all for firearm proficiency training, but operating 007 is a bit funny.

When is this tactical fighting going to happen. When it does happen, can you still go to the grocery store to buy a 6 pack and potato skins?

And team training? So is this now your team? When do you gusy hook up for the war? You exchange ham radio signals or bat phone?

Or is team training for when you train your neighbors and arm them with rifles?

Is a beard required? Do you not shower for the 6 days and run Vaseline on the bung hole to prevent scaffing? Eating mres? Did they have a segment on what to do with wife and kids while out on patrol.

I guess i dont get the point of combat training. .squad tactics while living in usa..or are you going to middle east.

Im all for becoming a better shooter, just not clear on the squad operations. Maybe I need more friends with rifles red dots.
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Old 02-23-2016, 9:51 AM
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Yeah, they like the red dot stuff, squirrels Chase it, lol
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Yes on the account of the trainers are operators, it is some good **** to learn.
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I took the fighting pistol class through them back in '08. It was a fantastic class and they definitely stressed safety above all else, so the idea they'd put a photographer down range shocks me and makes me wonder if there is more to the story.

There were aspects of the course that I took that they asked us not to discuss online/with others. Not because it was some secret squirrel special skills but because you learn a lot more from the related scenarios by going into them not having already heard the punch line to the joke. Having gone through it, it makes perfect sense as to why they ask it not be spoken about.
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Yes they are ex military that went operators that have plenty of battle experience and you can bring plate carriers to the class and train but you won't need them.
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Well I just took the class and it is probably turn and that is from experience in the class, you train under fire so bring a ballistic kit in case your hit, this is a hard core combat course
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They have a support team there so when one of the 2 guns ( back up) you brought quits working they will help get it up and running again
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And the med training course you have to insert the nose airway tube all the way to see how it works and you do get a slight nose bleed
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Just fkn take the courses, you won't be dissatisfied at all and if you are they will give you your money back
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I took the fighting pistol class through them back in '08. It was a fantastic class and they definitely stressed safety above all else, so the idea they'd put a photographer down range shocks me and makes me wonder if there is more to the story.
This class was only a couple months ago. Go to 1:00 mark or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8qfZVuQPe4
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Wait till you go advanced rifle and your pealing off and the fireing line is fireing cover and you have to run towards it to go prone and start helping in the fight, yeah baby funnnnnnnnnn.....
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I fkn own this and I am trained for the fight not for speed or mechanics but for combat
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The one thing you will do when you reach advanced pisto, rifle is that you will move on every shot and while reloading without stopping and I mean back and forth forward back and towards cover, you will not stand in the open for one second at all while fireing your weapon or loading it or your fked
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This class was only a couple months ago. Go to 1:00 mark or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8qfZVuQPe4
Well that is absolutely retarded. It's been a while, so perhaps there has been a changing of the guard, but the people who taught the class I took(James yeager was one of them) never did anything like that and were very forward about their stances on safety that would make me never expect to see that kind of behavior at any of their classes.
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Well that is absolutely retarded. It's been a while, so perhaps there has been a changing of the guard, but the people who taught the class I took(James yeager was one of them) never did anything like that and were very forward about their stances on safety that would make me never expect to see that kind of behavior at any of their classes.
Well one of the videos I linked earlier was Yeager defending having a camera man there in 2009, so apparently he changed his stance on the matter real quick after you took a class from him.
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Well that is absolutely retarded. It's been a while, so perhaps there has been a changing of the guard, but the people who taught the class I took(James yeager was one of them) never did anything like that and were very forward about their stances on safety that would make me never expect to see that kind of behavior at any of their classes.
Hmm. There is absolutely no reason for someone to be downrange in a class like that. It serves ZERO purpose.
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They teach you secret stuff I can't mention on line. The cost of each class is $550.00 and if you want to retake the class it's half the price.
If you paid $550 for a class, why would you need to retake it?
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Absolutely agree, no reason for them to be down range.

A bit of searching shows that tactical response seems to have split apart around the time period I took the course, so reasons like this may have been the reason why.

Well, I can't speak for what they're teaching and doing these days, but I still stand by that the class I was able to take was fantastic and was done incredibly safe and professionally.
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This class was only a couple months ago. Go to 1:00 mark or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8qfZVuQPe4
I am not sure how you were changing mags on the ARs. Are those ARs with or without bullet buttons? did not see any one using a tool or at least it did not seem so.
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I am not sure how you were changing mags on the ARs. Are those ARs with or without bullet buttons? did not see any one using a tool or at least it did not seem so.
That video says it's from the Spokane WA class.
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Leap frogging.....

Im all for firearm proficiency training, but operating 007 is a bit funny.

When is this tactical fighting going to happen. When it does happen, can you still go to the grocery store to buy a 6 pack and potato skins?

And team training? So is this now your team? When do you gusy hook up for the war? You exchange ham radio signals or bat phone?

Or is team training for when you train your neighbors and arm them with rifles?

Is a beard required? Do you not shower for the 6 days and run Vaseline on the bung hole to prevent scaffing? Eating mres? Did they have a segment on what to do with wife and kids while out on patrol.

I guess i dont get the point of combat training. .squad tactics while living in usa..or are you going to middle east.

Im all for becoming a better shooter, just not clear on the squad operations. Maybe I need more friends with rifles red dots.
Not sure if every step of training is needed or wanted for average Home Defense, but it does not hurt to know how and to practice it once. Better to know and not need it.

Nevertheless, It seems to be fine training if you want to learn how to shoot under fire or stress and beyond what an NRA instructor can teach which is basically what grand pa or dad taught us for free.
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That video says it's from the Spokane WA class.
Thanks. Missed that part.

ooops. OK, now I get it. It did seem to go way smoother on the mag changes than we are used to here.
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Was the cameraman armed?


It is funny how everyone is so concerned about the camera man down range. Well, don't aim for the poor schlepp.

You go training and the instructor tells you to do the xyz and hit such and so targets. He Did Not say graze the camera or the guy holding it, did he ???

Just do what the trainer tells you and the camera guy will be OK. If anything, it will teach you not to shoot at anything and everything in site. It might be a misplaced friendly.
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All your Tactical Response training is now obsolete.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4MhKShZ0SU
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ya..I mean the weekedn warrios need video of them shooting paper and steel ..

I forecast "training accident" in 2016...at least the video will be swell.

Remember..when you are assigned to calling 911..don't say so and so been shot!...its "training accident at the rifle range"

at about 3:15..they are all backing up..guy is walking faster and muzzle is no more then 10 feet from back of guys head.....about 3 feet over
uhhh no thank you

zero reason to be doing that..well unless you want more people in your class to make more money... wonder how that liability insurance works.

ya..plate carriers on..better wear a helmet too
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