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This is going to be a bill that has all sorts of issues especially the way it will be written. Besides treading on BATF territory, the author wants the purchase of a non-firearm (as defined by federal law) to be treated as if it is a firearm. I wonder if the BATF will say something about this bill? Another left wing bill from the inmates that are running the asylum in Sacramento.
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just get rid of the 10 day wait, and I could care less about registering anything
thats the biggest reason I dont buy so many guns is the stupid 10 day wait let that be for first time buyers, same with the safety certificates
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Once again the jack wagons in Sac are running amok.
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If you want, call Gipson's office tomorrow and ask for the staffer handling the Precursor Lower Receiver bill. |
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Info from this ARF link:
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You don't buy guns because you have to wait 10 days? But you don't care if your guns are registered? Weird.
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IF it passes, the lawsuit will be interesting. can a state redefine what a firearm is... cant see jerry signing this one, but he is a dem and you can never trust what a dem will do.
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Given that a piece of string was once considered a machine gun, they might try something nutty like that.
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The concept of an "80%" is vague anyway. It's an object the BATFE has deemed as close to a firearm, but not actually a firearm, therefore perfectly legal to sell without the need of a 4473. But, the manufacturer needed to go the BATFE and get confirmation, because one more hole and THEY'RE the ones facing jail time as well, so it's also a bit of self-protection. Its just a piece of paper indicating its not actually a firearm per BATFE definitions of a firearm. There really is no way to regulate it as a firearm, but that doesn't appear to be what's going on here. This seems more like an attempt to craft a new state level definition of something related to "constructive possession". The state can regulate some items. Ever try buying a can of primer in California? Same concept, but the requirement to go through an FFL may be the limiting factor here. I can't be arrested for buying a can of spray paint from my neighbor or grabbing a can in another state that doesn't ask for an ID. Arresting me for buying a piece of metal that is shaped sort of like an AR lower might not pass the legal smell test. Airsoft guns also look sort of like an AR and I can buy that at Walgreens. Then again, the nuclear level of vitriol the California legislature has shown towards gun owners is what pushed this to the forefront in the first place. They continue to try and eliminate firearms from the state by fiat, and we continue to find creative ways to make that effort a failure. Sooner or later, somebody is going to lose that arms race.
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a few gotcha's to watch for; Need to notch the side wall for the magazine index nub (before you assemble) Stamp your indent info BEFORE assembly (less chance of bending something) Need to figure out a plan for the take-down and safety detent and spring (the sidewall is not thick enough for the pin, and you can't drill that small, that deep through the steel anyway) braise in a piece of brass and drill that for the detent holder? Alignment!!!!! Use a stripped upper as a jig for overall alignment of takedown pins and buffer tube Pay attention to how much metal you are adding around the grip, you will have to grind it off later and lastly, IT WILL BE HEAVY compared to aluminum. |
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And also coming soon, felony Aluminum can recycling, centers will have to become FFL.
Serial # all soda cans, background check to purchase, only 10/yr. AB XX link https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...4cGVuMtpL3KbPw |
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This would also seem to be an issue. |
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I wonder if this will affect steel pipes and screws? Those can be made into shotguns.
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While not banning the tools they could ban the process. For example it is illegal to make a gun that can't be detected by a metal detector. Of course this is a federal level thing but that won't stop CA from trying.
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This will be interesting...how can you accurately and consistently re-define a set of objects that are not firearms as firearms. And then apply all *state laws* that regulate firearms to those objects. 4473? Federal, wouldn't be appropriate ...would the NICS system even be available for a transaction that does not involve an object that the BATFE has already said is not a firearm? Too many issues to overcome here. Every machine shop in the state full of "guns" if something like this were to pass.
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a pipe can be used to build a full auto. home depot needs an FFL!!!!!!!
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I hope a thousand 7075 T6 blocks of alu 2" x 17" x 7" fall on that Legislaters dick!
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I always laugh when I read bs like this. Who cares if we build long guns out of these lowers long guns have only had to be registered since 2014. Suddenly its scary to have unregistered long guns?
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Heck, anybody with a 3" PVC pipe, lighter fluid and a potato is a possible manufacturer.
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Sac Bee re how Gipson sent grossly misleading mailer when he ran for Assembly...
http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/opn-co...le3936766.html |
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i'm guessing all clerks at Nike Town should become 07 FFL / SOT ... they sell shoe strings
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I wonder how many politicians drive vehicles with aluminum blocks? If this passes can we execute citizens' arrests on them for possessing illegal firearms?
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Google image search produces http://www.theflatspot.net/ar-15-receiver-flat.html
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No, an unfinished frame which cannot be used in a working firearms is NOT a firearm by ATF regs,
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Thanks for the addition to my sig.
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