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Santa Cruz County CCW Policy, Good Cause statements, Guidelines and Forms can be found Here
2014 Nov 15 UPDATE: Per my (Paladin's) post in this thread today (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...8#post15266388), you should apply ASAP if your Good Cause is "self-defense"/"personal protection" to get a space in line for processing after Peruta is finalized. 2015 Sept 18 UPDATE: Per my (Paladin's) post in this thread today (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...9#post16944869), the SO says there'll be no change at least after the Peruta en banc panel renders its opinion. Last edited by Paladin; 09-18-2015 at 7:28 PM.. Reason: update OP per SO accepting & holding apps for Peruta |
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From the "CCW UPDATE" link on their homepage (http://scsheriff.com/):
CCW UPDATE Members of the public wishing to obtain a CCW under the standards recently articulated by the Ninth Circuit in Peruta v. County of San Diego should be aware that the decision has not yet become final. Federal court rules prescribe a period of time which must elapse before the case is remanded to the District Court for further proceedings. Applicants that seek a CCW permit under the self-defense standard set forth in Peruta will be processed in the order they are received should the decision of the Ninth Circuit become final. Once the decision becomes final, applicants will be contacted by the Sheriff’s Office with instructions on how to complete the process. In order to accommodate, and expedite, the large numbers of anticipated applications, the Sheriff’s Office and County Counsel are currently revising the process for issuing CCW permits. (emphasis added) I'll update the OP and the thread title now.
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That was the 1st update (which, as you can see, I had added to the OP on 2014 Nov 15). I'm talking about the 2nd update, the one about Peruta being taken en banc which I added to the OP yesterday.
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After Peruta was put into a suspended state thanks to Att. Gen. Harris, we were sent a letter from the S.O. explaining our two choices: Go forward with the request (and get denied) or be put on hold until Peruta was ultimately decided (Circular file.)
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Cities of Watsonville and Scotts Valley may have recently issued a few licenses through their own PD, and not the SO. How many or why, I do not know.
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ETA: I briefly looked over their PDs' websites and did not find any CCW info. https://cityofwatsonville.org/197/Police http://www.scottsvalleypd.com/
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To help a CGNer in another thread asking about the City of Santa Cruz and CCWs I had to look over the current materials on the SO's website re. CCWs. I saw that they require 3 letters of character reference (non-relatives), mandatory Psych Eval and possible required letter from Medical Doc saying you're okay to carry. See: http://scsheriff.com/Portals/1/Count...CW_Process.pdf
Then I noticed something big: there is NO CHARGE to you for ANYTHING until AFTER your GC is evaluated and you're approved! That is NOT the behavior of an anti sheriff. Once you've been approved (passed Phase 1 and told to continue to Phase 2), then you get hit with the LiveScan fee (~$100 IIRC), the Psych Eval fee (max of $150), possible MD fee ($???), 8 hour training class fee ($???), and ONLY $25 fee for the SO! Again: That is NOT the behavior of an anti sheriff. While I could find NOTHING re. GC on the website (http://scsheriff.com/Home/CCWLicense.aspx), if it is FREE to apply to get your GC evaluated, why not apply??? Spend a month figuring out your best GC statement, figure out all the evidence you can muster to prove your GC actually exists (i.e., you aren't BSing the sheriff ), then apply! To repeat myself: I did NOT find anything detailing GC, but these other things are not what anti sheriffs do. IMO, Santa Cruz may be doing what Monterey SO did years ago: loosen the GC requirement, but push GMC up to make sure only GGs get CCWs. But that is just a guess. Until people apply and post on CGN, we'll never know if things improved in Santa Cruz. But since applying and getting your GC approved/denied costs NOTHING, why not apply? Remember: a denial for insufficient GC does NOT hurt you in the future (but a denial for lacking GMC may...).
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Either (1) I'm misreading what they put on their website, or (2) what they posted is a mistake, or (3) they've changed their CCW process. If I lived in SC Co, I'd contact them via their FB page and ask about the current process. (There's no fee for that, that I'm aware of. )
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Possibly. I'm only sharing my personal experience. I hope someone can prove me wrong, but my first hand observation and discussion with others show that our current sheriff is ANTI-ccw. And there is a significant cost involved. If he (or anyone else) can prove me wrong, I would gladly eat my words and start the process again (as I'd sure like to have those hundreds of dollars back, or at least worth something). I only chimed in because there is a cost and I'd hate for anyone else to waste their money.
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Reading comprehension can be a mother....
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I have all approved active CCW applications, and all rejected CCW applications, and all prior approved but inactive applications for Santa Cruz county if anyone is interested. The Sheriff redacted the hell out of them tho.
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They gave me one in un-redacted form, then later gave it to me again in redacted form. So here is a copy with the redacted parts bold , but readable.
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Definitely. If I had half a chance w/my SO, I would apply. My county is, IMO, 1 of the 3 that would be last to voluntarily switch to readily issuing. The other 2 being SF and LA counties.
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Did anyone, as far as you can tell, use a non-work related, non-personal threat/attack related (e.g., no DV restraining order), as GC and get issued?
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240+ examples of CCWs Saving Lives. Last edited by Paladin; 05-07-2018 at 4:43 PM.. |
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There are 28 denied applications. Most rejections came in 2014. Of the approved application the good cause reason seems to boil down to, 1) High value property 2) Body guard or security person 3) Some how law enforcement connected (people that testify for example) 4) Documented death threats There are two application that looks like plain self defence. It's very difficult to know for sure because there's many redactions. If I had to pick one of the colors, I would pick the lighter red. It seems like they will give you a CCW, but the standard is high. Of the denied applications some strangely look similar to the approved ones. The person claims to have high value property, I guess not high value enough. Most of them are basic self defence. Last edited by abinsinia; 05-07-2018 at 7:28 PM.. Reason: Added death threats |
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Paladin, for pete sake. Sheriff Hart does not issue to regular folks. Why do you insist on doubting that?
During his election debates he made it clear that he would follow whatever the state AG and court decided. From his own lips he said that; I was sitting right in front of him and heard it. During Peruta, many, many of us applied, and all were denied. The county Board of Sups, who pull his strings, would never allow it. But he was more than happy to sponsor a gun buyback recently, where a bunch of old fogies turned in their hunting rifles and shotguns, and then the county labeled it as a great success getting dangerous assault weapons of the streets. Do the math. With a population of 262,000 (conservatively) good luck.
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For what it's worth, hart is against new deputies carrying concealed off duty, corrections officer. No way.. the chances of getting a ccw in SC county are as good as getting struck by dry lighting in space if th opportunity ever presented itself. After speaking with some friends in relation to SCSO, they all said it's not worth your time to apply, also it will show up on record you've been denied before, move to Monterey, apply, wait 3 months and done...
They also insisted on moving out of CA but that's not always an easy option. You'd think hart being the man he is would take a bribe, judging by his character
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I was thinking we should start a local petition to add an county ordinance which mandates that sufficient good cause to issue is "Natural Right of Self Defence."
23000 registered republicans in the county, and 32000 NPP voters. Signatures would be less than 10k .. |
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All I did -- in post #147 and following -- was show what he has on his CCW webpage and point out that it is not what a anti would have and suggest/encourage Santa Cruz folk to look into it to see if things may have changed. Quote:
So? If you contact San Diego Co Gun Owners PAC (they're a member here you can PM or via their FB page at: https://www.facebook.com/SDCGO/ or their own website at: https://sandiegocountygunowners.com/), you will find out that many people who were denied by Sheriff Gore (you know, the defendant in Peruta v. Gore), have now been approved for San Diego SO CCWs since last Sept when Gore liberalized issuance. Quote:
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For those thinking about applying, below is the latest revision of my breakdown of the meaning of the Dark Red, Light Red and Yellow categories. If you do apply, be sure to let us know, via a post, or at least me, via a PM, how it went and any insights you can share.
People with Dark Red GCs have best chance, Light Red less chance and Yellow unlikely as far as we can tell. But you never know until you apply and a denial for insufficient GC will not hurt you in the future. (A denial for lacking GMC may.) Quote:
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Here’s the link to the sheriff’s CCW webpage. It’s not linked on the homepage or under Self Help, you have to search for it.
http://scsheriff.com/Home/CCWLicense.aspx
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Has anyone been issued a Santa Cruz SO CCW for any of the following reasons?
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I spoke with Sgt. Shearer (831-454-7616) who handles CCWs. He was pleasant, polite and professional and encouraged people to apply. To that end, the Santa Cruz SO does not charge anything to get a Good Cause decision (step 1 of a 3 step process).
I asked about the all important GC standard and was surprised: he said while no GC on its own is an automatic “yes”, as best I could tell from our brief conversation SC should be Yellow (“employment risks”) on the CA CCW GC map. He suggested there might even be circumstances where “recreational risks” (Light Green) could be sufficient. Of course that assumes you have evidence to prove your GC exists and you pass Good Moral Character and the rest of the requirements. I definitely encourage residents with Dark Red to Yellow GC to apply. If you have Light Green call him and discuss your background and circumstances to see if formally applying is worthwhile. Regardless, after you get a CCW or a denial please make a post describing your experience to help other CGNers (or share with me via PM so I can share it if you want to remain anonymous). Here’s a link to my CCW Application Advice thread. Best to read all of my posts in it at least once. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1482924 Here’s a link to SCruz SO’s CCW webpage: http://www.scsheriff.com/Home/CCWLicense.aspx ETA: No, I don’t live in Santa Cruz Co.
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240+ examples of CCWs Saving Lives. Last edited by Paladin; 02-17-2021 at 9:40 AM.. |
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Less than 11 months until the next sheriffs’ election! (early June 2022) If he hasn’t already, he’ll probably decide soon if he’s running again because he should lock-in endorsements of local and state politicians early.
Let us know if you hear about any challengers and their positions on CCWs.
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In case some of you would rather wait for the courts than fight at the local level you may be waiting for years more… see https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...6#post26268406
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There have been several cases of rideshare drivers and many cases of food delivery drivers using CCWs to save their lives. If you do that work and live in a Light Red or Yellow county you may want to print out news articles about such attacks (ones with and without CCWing drivers), to prove elevated GC.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/philadelp...162744266.html
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Nothing on their Facebook page. I have no doubt he's squirming and trying to figure out a loophole. I sent a message on FB Messenger asking when they were going to comply with the law...
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