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Well there we have it. Guess that puts this all to rest till we get one in our hands.
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Maybe someone can address why a US made ak still needs to be 922(r) compliant?
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Maybe someone can address why a US made ak still needs to be 922(r) compliant?
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Seems like you're new to the internet.

He may be new to the Internet but you are knew to who is an actual person who should be looking up to.. Yeager ain't one of em.






If you want to talk about Yeager being the God of running away from the fight and watching his team get lit up from enemy fire , well then you are right.
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No cleaning rod, no bayonet lug and the barrels will be Melonite QPQ lined barrels
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Wes Addle, I actually do know what I am talking about, I do this **** for a living so I think I have a little experience, tell me again where your qualification comes from?

922r is very complicated and is often interpreted differently by different people

BUT it does not only apply to imported firearms but for guns people try to reassemble on their own and it says a certain amount of imported parts used to construct a firearm make it not compliant, certain number of specific group of parts count more than others and usually a receiver and barrel being made in US will ensure your weapon is compliant. It is not something you need to worry about unless you are building firearms or importing firearms, if you buy from a known manufacturer they will not sell you something that is not compliant so you need not worry
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922r is very complicated and is often interpreted differently by different people
922r has no effect on guns made in the USA, as you have advertised, unless it is made from a parts kit. But then it would be no better than a WASR made by Century with a shiny sticker on it.

So which is it? Overpriced WASR or made in US?
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18 U.S.C. § 922(r)

It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes except that this subsection shall not apply to -

(1) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or

(2) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Attorney General.


27 CFR 478.39 - ASSEMBLY OF NON-SPORTING SHOTGUNS AND SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLES FROM IMPORTED PARTS

(a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.

(b) The provisions of this section shall not apply to:

(1) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or

(2) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Director under the provisions of Sec. 178.151; or

(3) The repair of any rifle or shotgun which had been imported into or assembled in the United States prior to November 30, 1990, or the replacement of any part of such firearm.

(c) For purposes of this section, the term imported parts are:

(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings
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Yes, I understand the regulation, but if it's made in the USA, all parts would be made in the USA thus making 922r irrelevant unless it's assembled from a parts kit.

I see that you're still avoiding the question that I've asked several times. It's either made in the USA, making 922r irrelevant, or it's assembled from a parts kit.
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Yes, I understand the regulation, but if it's made in the USA, all parts would be made in the USA thus making 922r irrelevant unless it's assembled from a parts kit.

I see that you're still avoiding the question that I've asked several times. It's either made in the USA, making 922r irrelevant, or it's assembled from a parts kit.
I'm with this guy. Can someone elaborate?
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I'm with this guy. Can someone elaborate?
They could, but I'm pretty sure that would require admitting that it isn't actually made in the USA. Just assembled here from a parts kit.
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The real question here is. Where were the non 922r compliant parts manufactured? Got any pics of the LHS front trunnion?
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They are made and assembled in the USA!

They wrote 922r compliant in their feature sheet just to let people know they are 922r compliant
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They are made and assembled in the USA!

They wrote 922r compliant in their feature sheet just to let people know they are 922r compliant
Ok thanks for the clarification. Adding 922r compliant to the description only makes the made in the USA claim to fame questionable, likely from an unneeded overstatement. The entire premise of 922r is limiting the number of imported parts included in manufacturing.

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Their advertizing person may want to consider leaving that out and just putting 100% made in the USA if that's indeed the case.
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A fully built US gun does not to need to comply with 922r as it has ZERO foreign parts. Stating 922r compliant just adds confusion on if it's truly 100% made in the USA
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Wonder how many times this is going to be stated!?
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I could one more time, for good measure and all
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On topic, Is if safe to assume the barrels are not CHF?
I highly doubt they have a CHF machine.
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Many of you keep making it sound like I am the manufacturer of these and know about every nut and bolt, I am NOT, my shop is mostly LE/MIL and deals with agency weapons, I am not an expert on the AK series. Ask any technical question or spec that is not posted and I will find out whatever you request directly from RWC, that is why I posted this. The specs/features/photos I currently have posted are all that was released to me.

I do not have the info on whether or not the barrels are chrome lined, whether they include a bayonet lug/cleaning rod or not. After someone very simply and respectfully asked me by a PM in plain english, I relayed the message to RWC for clarification and will get a definitive answer for him and the rest of you.

As for 922r compliance when both the barrel and receiver are made in the USA you will have a more difficult time being not compliant than you will being compliant so that is not even something that has to be taken into consideration with the Kalashnikov USA line.

Those of you that reply with such ridiculous snarky demeanors and think you are some cool important guy on the internet, well I am a vendor and I don't care to tell you that you are not. Try it in person at one of these retail gun shops and see how you will be treated in return.
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Once.

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my bad, i quoted posts before i saw you in here.

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^^^Awesome response to the ban hammer. Thanks for getting us back on topic Kestryll. I would be interested in some more pictures if possible.
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I requested more photos and once I get them they will be posted here first. If I get a rifle in before that I will just take photos of that.
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I'm glad to see product enter the market for the noob. It's the type of gun a beginning collector gets then uses as trading stock when they get more knowledge of the real thing. As a purist, I'll pass.
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I found this thread searching for is Kalashnikov USA "CA Legal." It appears to ship with a 10 round mag but with new CA regs (is bullet button loophole still around?) is it "CA Legal?"

With continuing CA regs my next rifle may be a 20 inch FN SPR™ A5M XP or a BLR Black Label Takedown, 18.5 Inch.

I'm interested to see how it compares to other 7.62x39 clones/ re-interpretations. The AK series especially the AK-47 has been made in factories of varying quality producing a generally reliable weapon. These weapons are still being used decades later. A US factory with skilled US workers should be able to produce a very high quality AK.

I wonder how the Sig556XI Russian compares to the US132Z (the modernized Kalashnikov USA version).
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I really dig their advertizing. They really seem to know what the enthusiasts want.




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If that's really their marketing pic then I really doubt that their guns are 100% US made. More like 100% converted saigas.

EDIT - just went to their website....it's hard to say since they have a disclosure that the "Image displayed may not represent final product." the jury's still out

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Maybe they are making 100% American made stock sporter Saigas THEN partially converting them.
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The pics they have up all are the converted saigas still. They still haven't released photos of the new stuff
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Marketing will go much better if you post pictures of what you say you are selling. Right now, it is like saying I am selling Harley Davidson motorcycles, but showing a picture of a Honda dressed up to look like a Harley.... It comes across as a flim-flam.

All I see is a Saiga barrel, gas block, and front sight base, with the shroud cut back, and the slant brake indexed with a crush washer. NO bayonet lug on the FSB and no indexing detent on the FSB. No provisions for cleaning rod retention. In fact the slant break is about 1/2 to 3/4" forward in front of a cut back shroud. If you look, you can see where they put plugs in the holes from the sporter FCG of the Saiga when the trigger group was moved forward.

If it is not American made, a Russian receiver, barrel, trunnions (front and rear), gas tube, and bolt carrier group (since Saigas use an AK103 BCG) do not make "an all American made AK!" Even with US made furniture, Tapco G2 FCG, maybe a gas piston, and a US made slant brake, it is still a Saiga sporter, restored with SOME US parts. How about truth in advertising. I think "Russian Made" would sell better.

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The Kalashnikov USA stamped rifles will be USA made. They still have inventory of the converted Saigas and I think that is what they are showing in the photos
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Id have interest in a 5.56 model.
I figure if I buy an all American made AK I'd want an American cal and to take AR mags.
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Its gotta be hammer forged barrel because everyone on calguns is an operator who shoots at least 4k rounds per month.

Also another reason why it needs to be hammer forged is because the internet says its better!
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