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Old 10-17-2014, 5:30 PM
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My sister took my niece to the doctor the other day and they asked her if there are firearms in the house. Is that legal in California?
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Sure, everyone can ask whatever they want. She doesn't have to answer.
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Doctor ask my son.. And he said "a lot"... Lol.. If only I can take pic of her reaction..
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Very common question.

You don't have to answer, but they would assume lack of an answer is admission of having at least one.
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Doctor ask my son.. And he said "a lot"... Lol.. If only I can take pic of her reaction..
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What does owning guns have to do with a medical condition?
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Unfortunately, it's not easy declining to answer that question without sounding paranoid. Especially if the doc in question already harbors a stereotype about gun owners.

I would aim for something like "I assume you're asking because of positions taken by the AAP. I'm not sure if you know this, but there's absolutely no credible evidence to support their position. I consider this a political exercise, and I'm not comfortable participating in it."

I might add something about appreciating the physician's concern for my child's safety, along with a suggestion that he or she focus on mechanisms of injury that cause far more child deaths and injuries than firearms -- e.g., motor vehicles, falls, poisonings, drownings, and bicycles.
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Just answer "how is that relavant? No really, can you please explain it to me as a trained professional I am paying to treat me or my family member how a firearm is relevant to my/their condition?"
I actually asked my kids doctor about why doctors are asking this question (he has never asked)...his answer was...after laughing..."Obama"...
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Just pull out your CCW and say "just this one"



Or you could get real awkward and point to your biceps and say something like "why? do you want a ticket to the gun show?" Keep that up for a minute and they will mark the form however they want.
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Or you could get real awkward and point to your biceps and say something like "why? do you want a ticket to the gun show?" Keep that up for a minute and they will mark the form however they want.
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My sister took my niece to the doctor the other day and they asked her if there are firearms in the house. Is that legal in California?
If my niece went to the doctors and that same question was asked, I would be concerned what compelled the doctor to ask that question in the first place. Was he suspecting foul play somehow?
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Or you could get real awkward and point to your biceps and say something like "why? do you want a ticket to the gun show?" Keep that up for a minute and they will mark the form however they want.
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I only asked, because of the recent law in Florida that fines doctors $500 for asking that question. I only dislike it because I feel that it's a politically motivated question. I don't need doctors teaching my family firearm safety, that's something I'll teach her when she's older.
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I only asked, because of the recent law in Florida that fines doctors $500 for asking that question. I only dislike it because I feel that it's a politically motivated question. I don't need doctors teaching my family firearm safety, that's something I'll teach her when she's older.
If I were you, I would ask that doctor why he/she would ask that question in the first place. Obviously in a nice manner to make him/her feel at ease and hopefully he/she would answer your question. That's just me.
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Doctors know that in general, disarming the good guys results in an increase in gun and other violence. Doctors profit when crime victims need medical attention. If you're a doctor, gun control is good for business. Some doctors are obviously cynical and greedy enough to support gun control for this reason.

Doctors aren't the only people who profit from crime and violence. For example, the entire legal system - lawyers, judges, cops, legislators... Do you see a pattern here?
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My sister took my niece to the doctor the other day and they asked her if there are firearms in the house. Is that legal in California?
I can think of very few scenarios where it isn't "legal" for someone to ask another person a question. That having been said, is it appropriate? There are plenty of questions my doctor asks me that would be completely inappropriate coming from anyone else. It's obviously being asked so that if you answer yes they can follow up by telling you to make sure your guns are locked up around your kids. Until doctors are allowed to break doctor-patient confidentiality in the name of gun control I'll save my tinfoil hat for other scenarios.

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my doctor pulled up some pictures of his Kimber on his iphone to show me

he's also the one who told me that buying the 92fs that i was interested in was a great gun to own...while he served he was issued the M9A1, and knew the 92fs was pretty much the same grade firearm

i also know for a fact that one of his nurses owns the same Ruger GP100 that I bought...hell, i was so jealous of her owning one i had to go out and find one too

her hubby has a decent AR collection to boot
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Hype and paranoia. Go to 100 MDs maybe one will as that question. The other 99 want to get through spending thirty percent increase in their time now wasted on dealing with electronic medical records and associated BS.
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I've never had that question raised and would not know why it would. What does the 2nd admendment have to do with a doctor's services? Maybe they would like some financial advice too?

If it ever was asked, I'd reply with another question to avoid answering.

My answer: "doesn't everybody"?
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My response, "Do you carry malpractice insurance? More people are killed by doctors than guns every year."
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My response, "Do you carry malpractice insurance? More people are killed by doctors than guns every year."
Mute is correct. Medical mistakes by doctors, hospitals and big pharma kill far more people than firearms every year. Any "public health" official MUST solve the latter problem before considering firearms ownership as a public health hazard--let alone the tremendous health hazard on citizens and families posed by the misuse of alcohol.
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It's illegal to ask that question according to Obamacare.

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They ask the question under the guise that they will give you Gun safety information for you and your family, in an attempt to reduce gun deaths of children. Who knows where the information goes once its in your medical record. If you answer yes or none of your business, they will mark you assuming you have a gun. Then the government or anyone else will find out. I just say no and move on.
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Mute is correct. Medical mistakes by doctors, hospitals and big pharma kill far more people than firearms every year. Any "public health" official MUST solve the latter problem before considering firearms ownership as a public health hazard--let alone the tremendous health hazard on citizens and families posed by the misuse of alcohol.
Not just guns but everything ... leading cause of preventable death.
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Do they also ask "are you a liberal? A gay? A republican?"

Somehow I doubt it.

I'd answer "none of your business". Just like when the bank asks where my cash came from.
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My sister took my niece to the doctor the other day and they asked her if there are firearms in the house. Is that legal in California?
Answering a question with another question would be good. Omigod, all of our neighbors have guns. Did she swallow some gun parts? Ideally it would devolve into frustration and confusion.
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I feel that it's a politically motivated question. I don't need doctors teaching my family firearm safety, that's something I'll teach her when she's older.
It is politically motivated. You do not need to know if there are guns in the house to talk about gun safety. If the doctors office is truly concerned about gun safety, they can just ask if they can provide information on gun safety.

Think about it, asking if they can provide the gun safety information would be a way of reaching more households with the safety information than only to give that information to those who admit to owning guns.

Let us not forget that EVERYTHING that goes into an electronic record is susceptible to being hacked or abused by some future entity.
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They ask the question under the guise that they will give you Gun safety information for you and your family, in an attempt to reduce gun deaths of children. Who knows where the information goes once its in your medical record. If you answer yes or none of your business, they will mark you assuming you have a gun. Then the government or anyone else will find out. I just say no and move on.
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I'm in the medical field and a large majority of doctors I encounter shoot, have a CCW, even on has straight up multiple full auto arsenals. I think a lot of pediatric doctors are Democrats. Surgeons are Republican lol
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Oh and the information you give goes nowhere. Medical records are not connected to anything. All local. I think it's all personal opinion on the approach from the medical providers on whether or not asking is relevant. But it honestly goes nowhere.
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Can you point me to where in ObC it says that? That would be beneficial for everyone to share IF they have a dr that continues to ask that question (if it matters to them ...)

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Dr: "Do you have guns in the house?"
Me: "does your wife enjoy anal sex?"
Dr: "what?"
Me: "that has the same bearing on my medical profile as the topic of guns in the home."
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Oh and the information you give goes nowhere. Medical records are not connected to anything. All local. I think it's all personal opinion on the approach from the medical providers on whether or not asking is relevant. But it honestly goes nowhere.
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Just one of those BS that the law makes medical providers be responsible for. Basically, it goes simply like if the owner's son/daughter grabs a hold of the gun and use it, the greedy lawyers will try and get money out of every possible person. Basically, our hands are tied...

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Think about it, asking if they can provide the gun safety information would be a way of reaching more households with the safety information than only to give that information to those who admit to owning guns.
Yea great, except I can't even get reliable information about gun laws from gun stores and FFLs. What makes anyone believe that doctors or medical staff could provide accurate or useful information about gun safety.

Of course, they will suggest that they be unloaded and locked up, making it safer only for those who might do us harm.
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Ur r absolutely right mshill. First, I would assume that majority of docs don't have guns if I consider the same ratio by general population. With that assumption, our "preventative education" is mediocre in terms of gun safety.

I will divert a little bit. We always talk about quitting smoking as it "can" cause cancer. When that same person shows up with cancer and we didn't catch it, guess who gets screwed as well?

I really wish people stop saying that docs act like god and ,when they miss something, we are now treated like god that needs to be perfect. Don't get wrong some are really douche bags.
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