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Old 03-07-2014, 6:14 PM
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the m14 is considered a mans rifle.
What exactly does this mean?

Last time I checked, millions of men have gone into battle with a 5.56, 5.8 or 5.45 rifle and thousands of men have lost their lives to a .22 caliber sized round.
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The purpose of the weapon is to put a projectile into something to destroy or kill it, that goal can be accomplished regardless of the size of the bullet.

If you are into guns with bigger recoil be it a .308, .44 mag, or .50 bmg then more power to you.
If you need to convince yourself that enjoying recoil and shooting a bigger gun somehow makes you into a bigger or manlier man, then you got some issues that shooting an M14 ain't gonna fix.

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Old 03-07-2014, 6:26 PM
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millions of men have lost their lives to the 5.56 round.
That's over 18,000 a year since it was invented. I didn't think the number would be that high?
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Old 03-07-2014, 7:04 PM
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My hearts with the 30's..but my tired shoulder says AR...
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Old 03-07-2014, 7:18 PM
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Wow, this thread really went retard.
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Old 03-07-2014, 7:23 PM
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I get what he is trying to say. He is appreciating how light and easy to shoot the AR is. You "feel" every shot with a 308. Usually they are bigger, heavier, and harder to handle in just about every way. You don't feel the AR at all. It is compact (M4 is anyway), light and easy to handle in every possible way. So for a run and gun CQB rifle nothing beats a 5.56mm AR.

That said, the 308 is amazingly accurate and very easy to shoot longer distances. For a main battle rifle, hunting rifle, or precision rifle the 308 is a great choice! It is amazing how much easier it is to hit your 600+ yard targets with a 308 than it is with a 5.56mm.

Each rifle serves their main purpose VERY well. You just have to evaluate them in that role to able to truly appreciate them. A full length M1A with a scope is not going to be the best tool to clear your house. Likewise an 11.5" barreled CQB-R with a red dot is not the best choice for long range precision shooting.

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Wow, this thread really went retard.
Are you sure it didn't start that way?
If it didn't at what point did it get that way?
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Old 03-07-2014, 7:26 PM
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People are too uptight about what type of rifle, or gun they prefer.
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Old 03-07-2014, 7:28 PM
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...the m14 is considered a mans rifle.
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What exactly does this mean?...
It means that when the M14 was issued, it wasn't issued to women. Personally, I hate the recoil of the 308, it rattles my brain...I don't know why I just bought another M1A, stupid I guess?
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Old 03-09-2014, 9:38 PM
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Last time I checked, millions of men have gone into battle with a 5.56 rifle and millions of men have lost their lives to the 5.56 round.
Proved in another post that you don't understand the meaning of some words and now you are also a failure at math.

Where exactly did all those "millions" of KIAs happen?

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If you are into guns with bigger recoil be it a .308, .44 mag, or .50 bmg then more power to you.
If you need to convince yourself that enjoying recoil and shooting a bigger gun somehow makes you into a bigger or manlier man, then you got some issues that shooting an M14 ain't gonna fix.
Me thinks thou does protest too much.
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Old 03-09-2014, 9:57 PM
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My hearts with the 30's..but my tired shoulder says AR...
You're tired shoulder is screaming FAL!!!!!
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I have shot my 308 browning lever for many years. Yesterday I shot my ar10 I built...damn it has more kick...or perhaps I'm getting older. Shooting the 223 all day is no problem but more I think the 22 LR guns are the fun in shooting. They don't hurt to shoot easy on the ears when you forget to put your muffs on.
I've noticed a torque to the right on the Ar 10 is that normal ?
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Old 03-09-2014, 10:56 PM
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That's over 18,000 a year since it was invented. I didn't think the number would be that high?
Typo
I would still wager that as many if not more men have died to .223 than to .308 in human history.
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Old 03-09-2014, 11:02 PM
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I would still wager that as many if not more men have died to .223 than to .308 in human history.
IDK What caliber is the M60 & the M134 Minigun?
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Old 03-09-2014, 11:10 PM
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Jesus! It's NOT about how many men this round or that round has killed! It's about can the soldier use his rifle effectively. They ****canned the M14 in vietname partially because t was uncontrollable in full auto.
The M4, especially with three shot triggers or good operator control is easier to keep on a close range target.
M14 hits harder at 600 yards.
It depends on where and what you're fighting. When the Gulf War started, the Marines saw that there were going to be a lot of long range targets, so they pulled the m14s out of month balls and started issuing them.
One think that is not in dispute is yes, 308 kicks more than 223.
With an adjustable gas block like in a FAL, it kicks less, but you can't lower it to 5.56mm levels.
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Old 03-09-2014, 11:24 PM
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It depends on where and what you're fighting. When the Gulf War started, the Marines saw that there were going to be a lot of long range targets, so they pulled the m14s out of month balls and started issuing them.
Respectfully disagree with this, the Marines did pull the M14 as early adopters but they quickly ****canned it because it was difficult to maintain consistent accuracy.

The M14 was kept on later by primarily the Army not for its superior long range accuracy but for its barrier penetration ability in Iraq (where dismounted patrols were common) because .223 severely lacks in that capability. In Afghanistan mounted activities are more common so they solve the long distance problems with belt-fed .308 solutions.
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Old 03-10-2014, 6:26 AM
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Technically .30-06 is .308 caliber... so we should also include USGI kills from WWI, WWII & Korea attributed to .308 cal bullets... (because caliber and cartridge are not interchangeable )
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^ just being a smarta**

carry on.
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When the Gulf War started, the Marines saw that there were going to be a lot of long range targets, so they pulled the m14s out of month balls and started issuing them.
True, but there was no consistent configuration in those early days. Everybody was on their own, doing the best they could with whatever they could get their hands on at the time. The M14SE SDM, and MK14 SEI upgrade from Smith Enterprise were probably the first successful upgrade programs for the M14, followed closely by the NSWC CRANE EBR. Crane's program may have preceded SEI's program, I don't know for sure, but I do know that the M14 EBR modernization program was refined & expanded by TACOM, their M14EBR-RI program was well funded and it has been a big success... I'm not sure what the Marines were thinking, their M39 EMR was a cluster from the get-go.


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Old 03-21-2014, 10:05 PM
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As someone previously stated, the M14 is a mans battle rifle, the AR, not so much.



And what battles have you been in? If I may ask.....
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Old 03-21-2014, 11:03 PM
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OP if you feel this way don't ever shoot an IWI Tavor. You will not like your AR anymore lol
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AR15 is a fine firearm no doubt about it and I like it a lot for CQB. For me, my accurized M1A is an excellent DMR or even sniper rifle(.75 MOA to 1 MOA with match grade ammo) and it will get even better(I hope) once I get my JAE stock and tweak it some more.
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TOO MUCH GUN?

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