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Old 02-24-2014, 11:19 PM
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Default hornady match 52gr, 68gr, 75gr hpbt

How far can I expect to be able to shoot each one of these bullets? Paper punching. 20" AR 1:8

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Old 02-24-2014, 11:25 PM
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How big is the paper?

I think the .223 will shoot about a mile or so.

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Old 02-25-2014, 7:42 AM
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Whats the size of the paper matter? Im just looking for the limits of each bullet before they start to fall off. Ive shot the 68's to 500 yds so far with sub moa groups.
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Old 02-25-2014, 8:14 AM
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75s work out to 600,but I opt for an 80 at that point and beyond
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Whats the size of the paper matter? Im just looking for the limits of each bullet before they start to fall off. Ive shot the 68's to 500 yds so far with sub moa groups.
Sub MOA groups at 500 yards? Where do you guys come up with this stuff! Lol
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Sub MOA groups at 500 yards? Where do you guys come up with this stuff! Lol
Uh... from experience?
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Uh... from experience?
There's no way you can keep a group that tight at that distance... I've watched professional bench rest shooters struggle to keep groups together at 200 yards... And that's with perfect everything....


Your going to tell me you can do it with your AR aren't you?

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Old 02-25-2014, 9:53 AM
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Tell me what you think MOA is at 500 yds? Maybe you should just stick to the brass processing!
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Tell me what you think MOA is at 500 yds?
Hah +1. Was figuring he'd hang himself with that there rope, but maybe he needs a little prodding
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Why yes... 20" AR 1:8
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I'm proficient with the AR and sub min? at any distance is questionable ..Open sights changing conditions...I don't know?
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I have shot 69gn sierra matchkings out of a 20" heavy barrel 200yds 1" consistently but that is off a bench and siting very comfortable with a scoped rifle (I know not that far but give me a break im still doing load workups) but I don't see why you cant shoot 5" groups at 500yds with the above mentioned rifle and a heavy bullet, at least 69gn and up. to answer your question the 52's I would not take past 150 yds the 68's and 75's probably up to 600 yards
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im shooting prone with a bipod up front and tab bag in the rear. Im also using a swfa 16 power scope. I have had great success with the hornady 68gr match behind 24gr. varget @ 2.260
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By what you stated up about is you shoot half inch groups at 500 yards
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By what you stated up about is you shoot half inch groups at 500 yards
sub MOA at 500 yards would be under 5"
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sub MOA at 500 yards would be under 5"
Ok well that's not what I got from his original post... There have been many people on here that think they can shoot a half inch group at 500 yards...

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im shooting prone with a bipod up front and tab bag in the rear. Im also using a swfa 16 power scope. I have had great success with the hornady 68gr match behind 24gr. varget @ 2.260
There's still room for more powder

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By what you stated up about is you shoot half inch groups at 500 yards
Moa
1" @ 100yds
2" @ 200yds
3" @ 300yds

And so on, actually 1 moa is 1.047" at 100 yards but we round down
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Moa
1" @ 100yds
2" @ 200yds
3" @ 300yds

And so on, actually 1 moa is 1.047" at 100 yards but we round down
I know what MOA is... His op is what confused me
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to be exact, the max spread was 3.730" / 0.71moa@500yds.
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On an average day I'm shooting 2.5MOA 20-shot 600 yard groups.
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That 75gr is a good bullet.
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That 75gr is a good bullet.
I have heard that to because they are heavy enough to travel far but small enough to magazine load.
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Hornady's 75gr HPBT
Nosler's 77gr HPBT
Sierra's 77gr HPBT
PRVI's 75gr HPBT
Berger's 73gr HPBT
Lapua's 77gr Scenar-L

All do basically the same thing. Heavies at mag length.
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How far can I expect to be able to shoot each one of these bullets? Paper punching. 20" AR 1:8
You can get ballistics programs that will calculate the drops for you...some of them are free if you use them online.

I use an Android App called "Shooter" and the results seem to be close enough to be useable for me...and I don't have to keep paper charts/printouts handy.

Other people (rbahri5206) have answered your question with a more practical answer

There is plenty of literature about useable ranges for an AR15 in 5.56mm, and everyone has a different opinion but rbahri5206's answer is good. I myself have chosen to limit my practical max range to 200 yards and my absolute max range to 400 yards but I doubt that I will even pull the trigger past 200 yards if I have a choice.

600 yards is a good long distance range...there are some (rare) that will shoot at 1000 yards but 77gr. is the heaviest bullet I've seen for commercial loads...anything heavier I'm guessing you'll have to single load (too long for the mag) and if you have read up on everything and want practical experience there are long range classes you can take, and at ranges that have the distance, there are people that specialize in 800 and 900 yard targets...but you'll probably have to do time in the "pit" or if you are in the desert, have something motorized to take you to your target...at those distances, steel is your friend.

A good scope is better to me than a spotting scope, unless you chose to use iron sights.

Once you start shooting longer distances, being Anal Retentive is a good thing. You'd be surprised how much difference a mono-pod/bag/fist can make under the toe of your AR15.


Good luck on your shooting experience.
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I don't know of a commercial round heavier than 77gr either. You can stuff an 80gr Nosler HPBT or an 82gr Berger HPBT down to mag length. It isn't pretty and you shouldn't do it but you can. At 1k most people are using a 90gr VLD bullet and you cannot stuff that in a mag, and you usually want a 1:6.5 twist barrel. Consider the fact that the .223 is such a small case that small differences are a greater percentage of whole, in this way many shooters have found the .223 to be difficult to maintain elevation consistency out to 1k in match scenarios.
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