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View Poll Results: What single round would you shoot?
338 LAPUA 5 1.62%
338 WIN MAG 3 0.97%
7MM REM MAG 7 2.27%
300 WIN MAG 17 5.50%
30-06 SPFLD 91 29.45%
300 WSM 2 0.65%
308 WIN 177 57.28%
6.5 CREEDMOOR 7 2.27%
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Buying two guns may not be as expensive as you think

.308 Savage Axis $289. Quality Scope & rings $199. 200rnds of ammo $240.

375H&H Magnum from Zastava run about $700. Scope & rings $199. 100rnds of ammo $185.

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"...My .358 has more paper "power" than any handgun in the world, and about three times the effective range, getting back to where we began this story. Anyone who has hunted large game with genuine handgun calibers ( as distinct from rifle calibers in certain "handguns" ) understands the extravagance of "power" inherent in the lowly .308 ( or 30-06 or many other "standard" rifle calibers you can name ). Yet these handgunners have taken every category of game on the planet cleanly. So. How much power in a rifle is enough? Think about it. And donít forget to weigh your thoughts against the ingredients that go into getting your first shot where it needs to go. Well, and I guess the second ( and third? ) shot too"

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30-06, or 308 for a general all purpose rifle. They are proven, and you can get the ammo anywhere.

Some of the other calibres are great. But you will not always find ammo. Opps, you forgot to pack and need ammo? Which ones will you find at a little shop out in the sticks? 308 or 30-06. Maybe 270
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...the 338 is over a mile kill...
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GAP 6.5mm RSAUM, magnum performance and .308 Winchester pressures in a rifle that can be carried all day.
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Either 30-06 or .308 for all the reasons already stated. I lean toward the .308 because it is a more modern round (especially in terms of military use0 and therefore more readily available. The ballistics between the two are not enough to make a difference IMO.
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How about this in 300WIN FTW?
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30-06, why has been covered above.. next would be 7.62x54r
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30-06 with a 230 grain bullet...not much it can't kill, and do it out to 1000 yards.

The 308 runs out of gas at around 180 grains for any significant velocity.

Maybe the 300 win mag is an even better Alaskan choice but I'd hate to shoot a small deer with it.
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20 Lbs. Steenbok taken with a 300 grain TSX out of my 375 H&H magnum.

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I'm looking at a Savage Arms 111 or similar. I'm thinking of getting 338 Lapua because I don't want to have to ever get a different rifle.
I don't know of anyone who would choose the Lapua for a hunting rifle unless you are trying to do extreme long range shooting
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Is there any reason I should get a 338 Win Mag or 7mm Rem Mag or anything instead?
If you want to punch paper all day then those would punish you severly.
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I just don't want to go to Alaska and find that my round I chose was too small, or whatever.
Then go 338 win mag. Also keep in mind that as an example Kodiak island is like insane jungle thick with the only "trails" being made by bears. My Father fished Kodiak for 4 or 5 years and had some close calls near bears but never a bear issue. Keep in mind a brown bear or grizzly hunt will run you somewhere in the 6-12k range at a minimum for a guided hunt and all non-residents must hire a guide. I can't disagree with Frank's 375 H&H either but I've never shot one.

I've shot 3 or 4 deer with a 300 mag and had no issues. Also one calf elk.
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Cost of buying a second, third, or ninth rifle is pretty inconsequential when you factor in how much it really costs to hunt brown bear or Dall sheep with a guide in Alaska.

Being .mil, you won't have to pay the $500 or $425 for a non-resident brown bear or sheep tag, but as a non-resident (<12 months of residence at time of application for license) you still need to hire a guide OR go with a relative who is an Alaska resident, 19 years or older, and at least second degree of kindred who also holds an Alaskan hunting license and is physically within 100 yards when you take game.

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Let's not forget that .338 Lapua is ~$5 per round, and I also read somewhere that "shot placement" from variety of field positions with high probability of follow up shots is pretty important when hunting. That might require a box of two of ammo for getting to know your rifle.

My rifle would be 20ga SxS for ptarmigan and grouse. Or, a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range for hunting triceratops on the planet Neptune.

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30-06 without a doubt. Im ordering a Ruger guide gun to go along with my 375 ruger. Id take the 30-06 before the 375 any day. Both wear 20" barrels for compact-ness. Its perfection! I shoot 110gr-240gr out of my 30-06 rifles. I bet more animals have died from a 30-06 then anything else.
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How about this in 300WIN FTW?
This rifle in 30-06 is about as good as it gets. Ruger did this rifle.
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I'm going with the Creedmoor only because I don't have one but have most all the others and then some and I know it's one hell of a sleeper round.
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If you reload - 300 Win Mag - load it down for CA deer or full power for long range Elk shots
30-06 or 308 Get the 308 it's a 30-06 with the case tailored to modern powders that wern't around in 1906.
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308 still lets you play around with heavy bullets, I can shoot the 208 Amax and 210 VLD from my 11.25 twist remington. I'm not shooting them at warp speed, but 2500fps isn't difficult to get, and much more can be had with reloader 17. Sure the 30-06 has more powder capacity, and can drive the big 230+gr bullets faster than a .308 ever can, but if you are going to step up to a long action, why not go with a 300 win mag?
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20 Lbs. Steenbok taken with a 300 grain TSX out of my 375 H&H magnum.

Is that like rabbit hunting with a 7mag ?
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I am not an "arsenal" type person. I like having a few weapons, and not many different rounds to stock up. I anticipate at some point getting a short tour to Alaska, and I want to make use of that 12 months of my life, but I want to use the same rifle in Colorado, where I'll be for the next 4 years of my life (minimum). I just never want to wish "damn I should have gotten the bigger round" later on.

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I think it is narrowed down to 9mm or .45 ACP. Can we finally rule out the .40 Short?
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I'm loving the discussion, but I will just throw out there that I'm going with The Savage 111 in .338 Win Mag and will swap in the appropriate stock like this when I figure out which one will fit.

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That'll make it nearly identical to my .22 from them, so practice with this one will translate at least somewhat to the one that is $2.25 a round.

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Had you included 270 Winchester that would get my vote.
You jump from 30 cal to 6.5 Creedmore leaving out the time proven
270. Shoots far and flat with reasonable recoil. Also it was
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I'm loving the discussion, but I will just throw out there that I'm going with The Savage 111 in .338 Win Mag and will swap in the appropriate stock like this when I figure out which one will fit.
Nice choice, we call that the 338 Win Ridiculous. Congrats!

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No need for anything else.
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this depends on the limitations of the game you will be hunting, if limited to the lower 48 I would say any non magnum would be fine. If including Alaska you better step up to a bigger magnum, there are bears the size of a car up there and they will eat you.
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If you reload - 300 Win Mag - load it down for CA deer or full power for long range Elk shots
30-06 or 308 Get the 308 it's a 30-06 with the case tailored to modern powders that wern't around in 1906.
It's a case made to match M2 ball performance with modern powders. M2 ball wasn't anything spectacular and the extra case capacity of the .30-06 is a major upside if you load heavy bullets with slow powders.
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I went with 30-06 for about the same reasons you went with 338.
Wanted a do it all rifle for long range steel banging, hunting these fine rockies, and any future guerrilla activities. I have no plans for alaska, so your choice makes sense to me even though it seems like a big step up in price from 30-06.
For the price of 5 boxes of ammo, you could probably find a modest reloading setup, then really maximize the cartridge.
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I understand it seems expensive, but when I had a .308 the good hunting rounds were about $2 each, and now they're $2.25 instead. Doesn't seem that bad for bolt-action.
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I went with 30-06 for about the same reasons you went with 338.
Wanted a do it all rifle for long range steel banging, hunting these fine rockies, and any future guerrilla activities. I have no plans for alaska, so your choice makes sense to me even though it seems like a big step up in price from 30-06.
For the price of 5 boxes of ammo, you could probably find a modest reloading setup, then really maximize the cartridge.
recommended reading is the biography of Frank Glaser, http://www.amazon.com/Alaskas-Wolf-M.../dp/1575100479 he was the very first US Gov't predator control agent in Alaska, back then they got off the boat in Seward with a backpack and rifle then walked to Fairbanks as there were no roads. He also made a living as a professional hunter supplying the railroad crews with meat, he got paid by the pound. He took one rifle a 30-06 later got a .22 cal varmint rifle. He shot moose, bears, sheep and caribou with the '06. Usually took 2-3 hits with a heavy bullet from the '06 to stop a charging bear. If you are into hunting this book is one of the best ever.
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recommended reading is the biography of Frank Glaser, http://www.amazon.com/Alaskas-Wolf-M.../dp/1575100479 he was the very first US Gov't predator control agent in Alaska, back then they got off the boat in Seward with a backpack and rifle then walked to Fairbanks as there were no roads. He also made a living as a professional hunter supplying the railroad crews with meat, he got paid by the pound. He took one rifle a 30-06 later got a .22 cal varmint rifle. He shot moose, bears, sheep and caribou with the '06. Usually took 2-3 hits with a heavy bullet from the '06 to stop a charging bear. If you are into hunting this book is one of the best ever.
Okay, so if I do go to Alaska I'm definitely buying several more magazines. I was thinking of just sticking with the one it comes with, but if I'm on the last round of my magazine when a bear charges...
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Okay, so if I do go to Alaska I'm definitely buying several more magazines. I was thinking of just sticking with the one it comes with, but if I'm on the last round of my magazine when a bear charges...
Nice choice on your rifle!
If you do go to Alaska are you going to take a handgun too?
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Oh, 30-06. Why? 'Cause I have three of 'em. How' that?
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If you do go to Alaska are you going to take a handgun too?
Yep, 10mm hunting goodness. I know someone who's taken deer with one.
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30-06. Why? Because you only have one rifle. If you have more experience you would own a rifle that is suited to the task at hand. When you take a trip to go shoot a man eating Polar Bear you might think about another rifle but that realistically isn't going to happen because a Polar Bear hunt will cost so much money the rifle cost is negligible. So for any game you are LIKELY to run across the 30-06 will do the job.
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I just never want to wish "damn I should have gotten the bigger round" later on.
Just wondered if you thought of this with handguns. Say your out fishing and a big bear comes around are you going to wish you had something bigger?
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