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Old 02-12-2014, 1:15 PM
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man that's rough. but its not our place to tell Russians how to act. i am sure many people here don't want them telling us how to act. i dont support what Russia is doing, but its not my fight. the homosexuals over there need to defend themselves and fight back.
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OP, Maybe you should get over to Russia & start helping out! Why do so many americans feel the need to be the "Co-dependant" caretakers of the world. Travel to Mexico & start protesting about how "gay" you are, see what happens. You'll be lucky to make it home, with or without a box. It doesn't take a scientist to figure out, many a mans mouth has broken his nose. Sometimes you gotta pick your battles.
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The folks on Russia are more free than here. Since when is it a bad thing to condemn sin?

Leviticus 20:13

13 “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.
To be fair, have you read the rest of that book? Mixed fabrics, crop rotation, shaving one's beard, working on the sabbath, cursing of one's parents, etc are all things Leviticus declares to be "Sin", yet nobody goes around yelling about how cotton/wool blend clothing is Sin

Now, there's some good points made that the US can't be the world's civil rights champion everywhere all the time, and that different cultures have different values, I just always find the biblical citation very amusing.
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Russia's house, Russia's rules. I don't support the violence, but that's exactly the kind of thing that happens when you (as an extreme minority of the population) try and force your lifestyle to be recognized by everyone around you when they had no reason to care in the first place.

To that effect, I imagine Russians have as much a right to freely express themselves as they do to defend themselves with lethal force. Not my countrymen, so not my problem.


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The folks on Russia are more free than here. Since when is it a bad thing to condemn sin?

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13 “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.
Unless you are an Israelite I would recommend finding another book to quote.

“You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.” (Leviticus 25:44-46)

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"And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you."(Leviticus 11:7)
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The folks on Russia are more free than here. Since when is it a bad thing to condemn sin?

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13 “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.
So do ya stone your wife and sale your daughter into slavery too? Because if you dont...
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No matter what your feelings are about gay's, they are still humans like the rest of us and deserve the same respect and rights. Something too many people seem to forget. The bible may state that homosexuality is wrong, but Jesus would still love them and treat them with respect. People need to read the bible more often and remember that we are all God's children.

Funny how so many say the problem today is less God in school, but yet I come on here and read this type of stuff.
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The folks on Russia are more free than here. Since when is it a bad thing to condemn sin?

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13 “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.
Holy ****! I thought the bible promoted peaceful things! Killing people because they're gay? Sound a lot to me like Muslims killing people simply because they are not Muslim. I guess that's a sin to them as well.
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Holy ****! I thought the bible promoted peaceful things! Killing people because they're gay? Sound a lot to me like Muslims killing people simply because they are not Muslim. I guess that's a sin to them as well.
The bible was written by man, not God. Those are not God's words.
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No matter what your feelings are about gay's, they are still humans like the rest of us and deserve the same respect and rights. Something too many people seem to forget. The bible may state that homosexuality is wrong, but Jesus would still love them and treat them with respect. People need to read the bible more often and remember that we are all God's children.

Funny how so many say the problem today is less God in school, but yet I come on here and read this type of stuff.
Next you are going to try and tell me all muslim aren't terrorist. (/sarcasm)
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"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.

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Russia's house, Russia's rules? Good thing you're not a spokesperson for the second amendment.
or the US... in any way....
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"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me."
...and then they came for the gays .........and some of the self righteous misguided, judgmental so called Christians turned their heads.

This is just one reason why I enjoy this site more than any other gunsite.
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or the US... in any way....
You clowns are going to have to excuse me for dismissing your opinions as globalist garbage. For one, we're talking about Russia here, not the US so try to stay on topic. Secondly, when this nation was founded, sticking our noses into other sovereign nation's business wasn't something to be promoted.

You got one thing right though in that I'd have no idea on how to speak for whatever twisted version of America you think you're for.

In the meantime, as I've said several times already, go get yourself a plane ticket to Moscow and mind Russia's business with your own mind and body if the idea of them running their country the way they want makes you so mad. Until then, keep your outrage up your *** where it belongs.
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Agree with you. I don't give a damn about gays. I do care that they want to force everyone to accept what they do. Shut up, do what you want, don't throw it in people's faces, and SHUT UP! Did I mention they need to shut up?
Can't recall gays ever "throwing it in peoples faces" however there's no shortage of frauds pedaling and stuffing subverted versions of Christ teachings in all our faces............ from the bedroom to the classroom and even the voting booth.
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Holy ****! I thought the bible promoted peaceful things! Killing people because they're gay? Sound a lot to me like Muslims killing people simply because they are not Muslim. I guess that's a sin to them as well.
So, it means - you never read Bible.

If you do read Bible - you may understand that God tried to teach human on the lesson of Sodom and Gomorrah.

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Lord always support marriage - man to woman.
And everything new modern way - it is for people who do not believe in God.
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So, it means - you never read Bible.

If you do read Bible - you may understand that God tried to teach human on the lesson of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Lord always support marriage - man to woman.
And everything new modern way - it is for people who do not believe in God.
Pretty ****ed up way of teaching a lesson. I don't see those views any different than the Islamic views who think being a non muslim is a sin and should be punished with death as well. I would assume God would teach peace and respect for one another, not death for some and eternal happiness for others. I am sorry, I just don't see how two women having sex and enjoying their lives is so sinful that they deserve to be killed. One of the many reasons I refuse to side with any religion. I think it teaches and encourages some ****ed up behavior.
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Pretty ****ed up way of teaching a lesson. I don't see those views any different than the Islamic views who think being a non muslim is a sin and should be punished with death as well. I would assume God would teach peace and respect for one another, not death for some and eternal happiness for others. I am sorry, I just don't see how two women having sex and enjoying their lives is so sinful that they deserve to be killed. One of the many reasons I refuse to side with any religion. I think it teaches and encourages some ****ed up behavior.
Just because it says that in the Quran, doesnt mean Muslims actually practice or believe it. In the bible it says kids who disobey their parents should be killed.. same basic thing.

I do agree however that gay ppl shud not be assaulted or killed. What they do is wrong but God will punish them. Its not up to us as human beings to end anothers life.
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The folks on Russia are more free than here. Since when is it a bad thing to condemn sin?

Leviticus 20:13

13 “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.
First of all it's only a sin according to your religion. Second, nobody has to obey the rules of your religion so stop trying to cram it down others throats. If you think being gay is a sin then by all means don't be with someone of the same sex.

I have a question by the way. Do you eat pork? What about shellfish?

Leviticus 11:7-12

"7 and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. 8 Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch. They are unclean to you.9 ‘These you may eat of all that are in the water: whatever in the water has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers—that you may eat. 10 But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you. 11 They shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination. 12 Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales—that shall be an abomination to you."

One more question. Are your Tshirts made with 100% cotton? You wouldn't happen to have any clothes that are made of different materials, would you?

Leviticus 19:19

19 "Keep my decrees. Do not mate different kinds of animals. Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material."
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If you do read Bible - you may understand that God tried to teach human on the lesson of Sodom and Gomorrah.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+19

And everything new modern way - it is for people who do not believe in God.
Soddom and Gomorrah? Seriously? You quoted from Genesis 19: 4 "Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

Do you even read the bible or do you just cherry pick verses to use against people you don't like? Did you bother to read beyond verse 5? Read verse 6-8:

6 "Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

So according to this fairy tale in Genesis, angels came to Lot's home and a mob of men in the city wanted to rape them. But Lot being the godly man that he is, offered the mob of men to gang rape his two virgin daughters instead. And he was supposed to be the good holy man that god spared? I guess the lesson here is gay promiscuous sex is bad and gang raping women is ok. That's some pretty messed up stuff.

And for the record homosexuality is not new or modern. Ancient civilizations in Egypt and Mesopotamia accepted gay people and recognized their marriages. It's pretty sad that today with all the knowledge we have, people are still condemning gay people when thousands of years ago it wasn't even an issue to many civilizations.
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Russia's house, Russia's rules. I don't support the violence, but that's exactly the kind of thing that happens when you (as an extreme minority of the population) try and force your lifestyle to be recognized by everyone around you when they had no reason to care in the first place.

To that effect, I imagine Russians have as much a right to freely express themselves as they do to defend themselves with lethal force. Not my countrymen, so not my problem.
Idiotic backwards thinking

nobody is "forcing" their lifestyle.....they just want to live as themselves

Putin's comment was "please leave the children alone" as if gays want to seduce children...more of the so called "forcing" their lifestyle on others

asking for it to be recognized simply means asking to be allowed to exist...yo talk as if they want something special..what they want is just what everyone else has, the right to live as themselves

wise up.....get your head out of the 1950's

not my country not my problem?...tell it to the boys in uniform that died to save the Jews from Hilter's ovens.....they understood what it means to be a human being...to be part of the human race
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Idiotic backwards thinking

nobody is "forcing" their lifestyle.....they just want to live as themselves

Putin's comment was "please leave the children alone" as if gays want to seduce children...more of the so called "forcing" their lifestyle on others

asking for it to be recognized simply means asking to be allowed to exist...yo talk as if they want something special..what they want is just what everyone else has, the right to live as themselves

wise up.....get your head out of the 1950's

not my country not my problem?...tell it to the boys in uniform that died to save the Jews from Hilter's ovens.....they understood what it means to be a human being...to be part of the human race
Where the hell are all of you weird Progessives coming from all of a sudden? This is like your guys' pet thread on Calguns, I swear to god.

Why don't you fellas go "be a part of the human race" in North Korea and help those poor sons of *****es out? Pretty sure they've got more to worry about than what some Russian wants to put his mouth around, but I guess that doesn't fit the agenda. Not low hanging enough to get behind and pretend to do something about. Maybe there's be some actual consequences in that, or it'd just require too much work since they're literally helpless.

You're such disingenuous *** holes with your fake outrage and propensity to meddle in other people's affairs, so long as you can do it in relative safety and comfort, but what really gets me is your complete and utter lack of humility. You're actually proud of it, and that just disgusts me.

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Where the hell are all of you weird Progessives coming from all of a sudden? This is like your guys' pet thread on Calguns, I swear to god.

Why don't you fellas go "be a part of the human race" in North Korea and help those poor sons of *****es out? Pretty sure they've got more to worry about than what some Russian wants to put his mouth around, but I guess that doesn't fit the agenda. Not low hanging enough to get behind and pretend to do something about. Maybe there's be some actual consequences in that, or it'd just require too much work since they're literally helpless.

You're such disingenuous *** holes with your fake outrage and propensity to meddle in other people's affairs, so long as you can do it in relative safety and comfort, but what really gets me is your complete and utter lack of humility. You're actually proud of it, and that just disgusts me.

Nasty creatures.
You atheists make me sick. No compassion for your fellow human beings. At least if you followed god you'd have compassion and would look out for your fellow beings instead of wanting them to get killed.
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You atheists make me sick. No compassion for your fellow human beings. At least if you followed god you'd have compassion and would look out for your fellow beings instead of wanting them to get killed.
Oh? Am I supposed to crap all over your religion now as a response? Is that where this is supposed to go?
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This reminds me of U.S. isolationist policy in the 1900s. When the Nazis came to power and many Americans said "Germany's house, Germany's rules." We know what happened next.

Is it OK for the world to watch North Korea imprison and kill its people without due process? Or it's their house and not our problem?

The reality, as I see it, is that countries are always trying to convey what they feel is right or wrong, just as many of us here would promote 2A-style freedoms in other countries, against the opinions of many. The tricky part is minding the balance between isolationism vs imperialism. Sometimes the extremes are what is necessary for change (e.g. embargoes, war, etc), but not always.

My main point is that guns could be used to help protect a minority from a tyrannical government.
There are three kinds of people in this world - 1) People who knew that putting dogs and fire hoses on people who were protesting for equal rights 50 years ago (and busting heads too) was not cool. 2) People who did think it was cool at the time and now think differently. 3) People who thought it was cool then and still think it was cool. Same principle can be applied to most any subject.
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There are three kinds of people in this world - 1) People who knew that putting dogs and fire hoses on people who were protesting for equal rights 50 years ago (and busting heads too) was not cool. 2) People who did think it was cool at the time and now think differently. 3) People who thought it was cool then and still think it was cool. Same principle can be applied to most any subject.
So, what? Russia should have invaded us 50 years ago? Is that what you want?


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Op's 4th post.. huh
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Old 02-20-2014, 10:56 PM
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I'm telling you guys, some Huffington Post forum somewhere out there got a hair up its *** to troll Calguns over the last month.
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Default Anti-gay violence in Russia: why the Second Amendment exist

Typical GLBT tactic...infect a pro 2A firearms forum and hijack the Second Amendment to take their gay rights agenda international.
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These activists are disturbing the peace there, with their flamboyant clothing and obnoxious yelling...
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Hmmm, Chris Cheng from Top Shot, huh?

This thread is a reiteration from Cheng's blog.

http://www.topshotchris.com/1/post/2...nt-exists.html

http://www.topshotchris.com/1/post/2...-for-guns.html
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I'm proud to be an American!!!!
Even though I'm from California. It's better that the rest of the world.
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Just stay in the closet and avoid any issues. I just don't want it in my face.
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