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Old 02-17-2014, 11:48 AM
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I accidently posted in holsters ect. the first time I used this Anyway I just purchased a savage fcp sr. do I need a compensator or muzzle brake for a 308? I would like some feedback. Thanks.

I haven't shot it as yet just thinking ahead
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Ross schuler brake. One of the better ones. Another is jpcustoms.
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A 308 needs a brake like a turtle needs an afterburner.
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I'll just leave this here and let you decide:

http://forum.snipershide.com/snipers...-pros-use.html
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I haven't shot it as yet just thinking ahead
Shoot it and decide. .308 is a middle of the road caliber that can go either way. You don't NEED a brake, but some prefer a brake depending on the shooter/gun/etc.
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I had Randy at R&D Precision put a VAIS brake on mine, and make me a thread protector for when I want to take it off.

The VAIS has no ill effects on accuracy, and the concussion so mild (compared to most brakes) that I have never found the need to remove mine.

It does make it a bit more pleasant to shoot- cuts the recoil to a light .243

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Thanks for the input , at this point probably won't get one.
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http://forum.snipershide.com/snipers...-pros-use.html
That's an awesome link! Thanks! It's quite the eye opener.

Has anyone made a more recent one?
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OP honestly invest in ammo and quality gear. I have a JP coolie brake on my LR308 and it may help a bit, but for the muzzle blast it puts out I would not get another for my other rifles unless I was stuck with a threaded muzzle like I was on my LR308..


Before I shot it I wanted one for all my rifles.. After I shot it and being next to my own rifle when someone else shot it, I wouldn't recommend it if you dont have a threaded muzzle.

You or anyone next to you at the line will be able to shoot while you shoot. I know this from being the shooter next to someone and the guys next to me, but I made sure to take a break between mags to let them enjoy their range time as well.

Some guys seem to enjoy the blast in their face, many don't enjoy it at all.
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just like some enjoy lots of recoil, and some like to cook off 30 rounds as fast as they can without regard to target connection.

You can put me in the camp of not enjoying blast.
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Thanks for the input , at this point probably won't get one.
Most people think muzzle brakes are just for reducing recoil.
The primary advantage of a muzzle brake on a target rifle is to reduce the muzzle jump so you can spot your own impacts.
Reducing recoil is also helpful, but not as much of an issue with a heavy target rifle as it is with a lighter weight gun.

Being able to see your own impacts is VERY helpful.
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Most people think muzzle brakes are just for reducing recoil.
The primary advantage of a muzzle brake on a target rifle is to reduce the muzzle jump so you can spot your own impacts.
Reducing recoil is also helpful, but not as much of an issue with a heavy target rifle as it is with a lighter weight gun.

Being able to see your own impacts is VERY helpful.
This is what sold me on putting the KDF muzzle break on my remington sps. Not going to lie this is my first bolt action so I have no way to compare, but I do like seeing most of my rounds hit.
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This is what sold me on putting the KDF muzzle break on my remington sps. Not going to lie this is my first bolt action so I have no way to compare, but I do like seeing most of my rounds hit.
I have a 700 SPS tactical and at 500 yards with my standard muzzle I can usually see the bullets impact or miss when I do desert trips. As long as you don't flinch you should be able to track fairly decent. I'm sure the brake does help some in that aspect tho but just don't think you'll be blinded from muzzle flash and rise with out it.
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You really don't need a compensator or break for a .308 but then again neither do you need one for .223/5.56. If you like the look that's a fair enough reason, if you're very sensitive to recoil or as others have said you want to see your shots better.

Then again you should be able to see your shots land just find without one. More a "what you like" rather than a "what you need" scenario just about any way you cut it.
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Put a Surefire brake on my REPR and like it.
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I have a 700 SPS tactical and at 500 yards with my standard muzzle I can usually see the bullets impact or miss when I do desert trips.
Brakes help a LOT more in close, like 200yds.
At 500yds, you have enough time-of-flight for the gun to come out of recoil and be able to see impacts.
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Will a brake make a significant difference in recoil on a Tikka T3 .308? 6 titanium pins & a few bad discs wanna know. I've also had my R. shoulder rebuilt recently, doing good. I don't mind spending the money if it's gonna be a softer shooter. LMK, Thanks.
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Will a brake make a significant difference in recoil on a Tikka T3 .308? 6 titanium pins & a few bad discs wanna know. I've also had my R. shoulder rebuilt recently, doing good. I don't mind spending the money if it's gonna be a softer shooter. LMK, Thanks.

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Most people think muzzle brakes are just for reducing recoil.
The primary advantage of a muzzle brake on a target rifle is to reduce the muzzle jump so you can spot your own impacts.

Reducing recoil is also helpful, but not as much of an issue with a heavy target rifle as it is with a lighter weight gun.

Being able to see your own impacts is VERY helpful.

And as I stated in another thread recoil is a part of physics. Newtons 3rd law "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." You can't cheat physics.

But in reducing felt recoil has several things to go into that... brake, powder used, bullet used, charge load, weight of the rifle, shooting position and the list goes on. But is short yes a brake will effect recoil a little but not eliminate it.
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And as I stated in another thread recoil is a part of physics. Newtons 3rd law "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." You can't cheat physics.

But in reducing felt recoil has several things to go into that... brake, powder used, bullet used, charge load, weight of the rifle, shooting position and the list goes on. But is short yes a brake will effect recoil a little but not eliminate it.
A little? Have you ever used a brake?

The difference with a good brake is astounding... and no, that isn't an exaggeration.
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Will a brake make a significant difference in recoil on a Tikka T3 .308? 6 titanium pins & a few bad discs wanna know. I've also had my R. shoulder rebuilt recently, doing good. I don't mind spending the money if it's gonna be a softer shooter. LMK, Thanks.
Yes the difference will be huge... but the other thing that will help is putting more weight on the rifle... i.e. heavier stock, heavier barrel, etc.
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Dave, I value your opinion, thank you. Any suggestions for a quality brake to buy for the T3 lite stainless?
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My guess is that your rifle does not have threads for a brake. My suggestion is to go to Randall(AR15barrels) and have him thread your barrel and install a brake for you.

As for suggestions, there's so many good brakes that it would be difficult to choose a bad one i think.

I'm a fan of Badger and Surefire, but everyone has their favorites.

Keep in mind, the brake is going to make your rifle LOUD... like piss off people next to you loud.
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A little? Have you ever used a brake?

The difference with a good brake is astounding... and no, that isn't an exaggeration.
Yea I've shot with several comps and Brakes and still have yet to feel that 308/5.56 "22LR recoil" everyone talks about when they get their comps/brakes

Got a JP coolie brake on my LR308 and its a slight reduction. But nothing I would call astonishing. With an added massive concussion side of course.
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Will a brake make a significant difference in recoil on a Tikka T3 .308? 6 titanium pins & a few bad discs wanna know. I've also had my R. shoulder rebuilt recently, doing good. I don't mind spending the money if it's gonna be a softer shooter. LMK, Thanks.
The lighter the gun, the more recoil reduction a muzzle brake gives.
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Any suggestions for a quality brake to buy for the T3 lite stainless?
Measure your barrel 5/8" behind the muzzle and order one custom made from Ross Schuler:

http://muzzlebrakesandmore.com/ROSS_SCHULERS_PAGE.php

He makes it to match your barrel diameter and does it within a couple days.
Once you have the brake in-hand, setup an appointment with me and I thread the barrel and time the brake while you wait.

On a skinny barrel that's around 0.650" at the muzzle, go with 9/16"-24 threads.
On varmint/heavy barrels that are around 0.840" at the muzzle, go with 5/8-24 threads.
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Yea I've shot with several comps and Brakes and still have yet to feel that 308/5.56 "22LR recoil" everyone talks about when they get their comps/brakes

Got a JP coolie brake on my LR308 and its a slight reduction. But nothing I would call astonishing. With an added massive concussion side of course.
Maybe we have a different shooting style?

The difference to me has always been pretty amazing... the shockwave and sound is still big, but what i feel is significantly less... it's also much easier to stay on target to watch bullet splash or hits.

Now a 308 feeling like a 22lr is a bit of a stretch... not sure who says that... but a 223 feeling like 22lr isn't crazy.
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A good brake on a .308 is pretty significant, but the difference between a good brake and no brake on a 300WM is the difference between an attaboy slap on the shoulder and a complete *** kicking.
Anything that will reduce felt recoil and allow you to spot your hits and misses is a good thing in my book. That's the only reason I have a brake on my .223 SPR. It's just one less thing in the equation to think/worry about.
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Maybe we have a different shooting style?

The difference to me has always been pretty amazing... the shockwave and sound is still big, but what i feel is significantly less... it's also much easier to stay on target to watch bullet splash or hits.

Now a 308 feeling like a 22lr is a bit of a stretch... not sure who says that... but a 223 feeling like 22lr isn't crazy.
Possibly. Like Randal said the heavier the gun the less it affects the recoil? Well both my 700 and LR308 come in at about 12 +/- a few oz so maybe that's why. But as far as I could tell on both factory NATO and hand loads the recoil wasn't much different from my unbraked 700 vs my brakes LR308.


I just hear everyone talk bout how amazing these comps and brakes are on their or their friends rifles and like I've said I've shot just about all of them I know of on mine or other friends rifles and never felt anything to wright home about via the recoil. But I do feel a tiny difference but nothing like MagPul/3 gun rifles that run absolute 0 recoil stuff as every one portrays.


I'm sure it's a little exadurqtion mixed in along with feeling and excitement but I tend to lean harsh or dry on my "reviews" or feedbacks if you can tell. I'd rather under tell the story a little and them be met or exceeded than up tell a story and like me be let down once I actually purchase something with such high expectations and reccomendation to my standards that weren't met.
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Weight will certainly make a difference.

My 8lb 308 rifle with hard plastic stock doesn't feel all that friendly when I set one off, but with a brake it's quite pleasant.
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I would add to HKs/Randalls well thought responses that brakes are a part of the solution along with solid technique. When you incorporate consistent fundamentals and have a little time behind the trigger, brakes are amazing.
All it takes is shooting your rifle with it attached, and then shoot a round with it off.
If your technique is solid, you will feel a huge difference.
I feel it just in .223.
The key is being comfortable and confident in your technique. Floundering in just the basics may distract you from feeling the difference...
Stock not in the pocket or not insuring solid contact. Not comfortable behind the glass, fighting with your rifle layout as you go to press the shot.

All the above is just my opinion and limited experience...

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