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Old 02-13-2014, 5:59 PM
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The 270 has been around since 1925 and the 280 came out in 1957
so the 270 didn't kill anything.

As to his wanting a hunting round that changes nothing.Custom bullets work well on big game because they are made with thin J4 jackets and accuracy is what matters.The custom bullets have better BC so they shoot flatter and don't scrub velocity like all the anemic 270 bullets do.If your a reloader there is no comparison at all and if he wants longrange as part of his goal you will never see a 270 used for that purpose but you will see plenty of 280's.

As to being able to buy brass everywhere who cares about that? I buy 100-1000 pieces it shows up in the mail and it doesn't vanish into thin air.If you don't have brass on demand you shouldn't be hunting in the first place

The 270 shoots a 130 very well but when you add 30 grains of bullet weight you can no longer push them very fast.2800 fps yes 3000 fps no way in a short barreled hunting rifle.

Enthusiasm aside lets stick to the facts and leave out the emotion.
The 270 killed the sales of the 280 because at the time the 280 offered no real advantage with available powders and bullets, you may want to check sales data on 280's in those years reason it faded away so many people already owned a 270 or a 30-06 then the 7mm mag came about so who wanted a 280 at all? little did they know, as for sticking to facts most hunting rifles sport 22"-24"-26" barrels hardly short at all. Oh but your a paper shooter If I remember.

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The 270 killed the sales of the 280 because at the time the 280 offered no real advantage with available powders and bullets, you may want to check sales data on 280's in those years reason it faded away so many people already owned a 270 or a 30-06 then the 7mm mag came about so who wanted a 280 at all? little did they know, as for sticking to facts most hunting rifles sport 22"-24"-26" barrels hardly short at all. Oh but your a paper shooter If I remember.
I don't think it had to do with powder & bullets available at the time. It had more to do with the Remington 740 not being able to handle full power loads so Remington didn't load it to its full potential. The 270 being around 32 year earlier & Grandpas rifle of choice, plus the 7mm Rem Mag coming out five year after it didn't help it either though.
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The 270 shoots a 130 very well but when you add 30 grains of bullet weight you can no longer push them very fast.2800 fps yes 3000 fps no way in a short barreled hunting rifle.
I would have rather bought a .280 but I didn't like the browning X-bolt and that was all I could find in left hand. So I compromised on a .270 Tikka T3 and I'll have to stick with 130 and 140 grain bullets which are enough for hunting up to and including elk. Maybe one day I'll get a .280 and it will likely have to be custom or high-end. I really liked the idea of a .284 battery with a .280 and a 7mm-08, but just couldn't find the rifles in left hand.
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Old 02-14-2014, 7:11 AM
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I don't think it had to do with powder & bullets available at the time. It had more to do with the Remington 740 not being able to handle full power loads so Remington didn't load it to its full potential. The 270 being around 32 year earlier & Grandpas rifle of choice, plus the 7mm Rem Mag coming out five year after it didn't help it either though.
True. I recall reading Remington under-loaded the 280 and renamed it 7mm Express (or something) so it would work in their semi-autos and that reduced acceptance substantially as it really hurt it's potential over .270.
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Old 02-14-2014, 10:48 AM
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Here is one assessment: The .280 Remington is capable of developing energy nearly equal to the .30-06 Springfield, but with lighter bullets having a better ballistic coefficient. The .30-06 produces more energy than the .280 with bullets heavier than 180 grains, though .284" 175 grain bullets have a high sectional density of .310, compared to the 30-06 180 grain bullet with a moderate sectional density of .271. The .280 is suitable for hunting any game in North America with good shot placement.



Our posts crossed but our assessments are pretty close (I am a hunter and intend to be a hobbyist reloader and amateur precision shooter)—only our conclusions differ but for similar reasons: I want to standardize on bullets and you do (.284" for me, .308" for you). I want a short action option for the bullet (7mm-08) and you perhaps do too (.308). But you make a good point about .280 though it only applies to brass I think, not bullets given the .284 is shared among a few cartridges. Of course if we cannot overturn the foolish lead bullet ban coming in a few years, .280's lower popularity might end up costing me more significantly. I might then wish I'd standardized on .30-06/.308 instead of .280/7mm-08 or be spending a lot of time re-forming brass and paying extra for bullets.

I've always been intrigued by the 7-08. In fact I've really been intrigued by the 6.5-08 and I've seriously considered rebarreling my 30-06 in 6.5-06 of buying a custom. The 6.5 (I have a swede Mauser) bullets are even better BC and SD numbers.

Or just buy another 6.5x55!!
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I'm going to get a 220 or 221 or whatever it takes
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Update: put a down payment on a Tikka T3 .270 ...
Good choice.

150 gr./2800 fps mice-to-moose out to 400 yards.

Sight it 3" high at 100 yards and get ~:

100 +3"
200 +3"
300 -4"
400 -18"
500 -40"

Which will give you:

- A point-blank hold to 300 yards.
- A top-of-back hold from 300-350 yards.
- A daylight over top-of-back hold from 350 out to 500 yards.

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You'll be fine with the 270 it just isn't a longrange (+500 yards) round and it had nothing at all to do with the 280's lack of sales.
Custom rifles offer many nice features but a left handed Remington 700 re-barreled in 280 would make a dandy little rifle.

I do shoot paper but I also hunt every chance I get.I don't worry about looks so a well rusted/pitted/used/abused 700 most wouldn't look twice at gets the nod with me as the barrel and trigger are going in the garbage can anyway.You can blast the action and have it matte blued very cheaply or simply paint it with one of the various products out there today.

Here is a picture of a action I bought in Reno for $200
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Old 02-17-2014, 10:54 AM
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I think of rifle cartridges in terms of range, imo anything under 300 yards does not need the long action 06 case. 7-08, .260, .308 can do it all with less recoil and less powder within usual hunting ranges. Next step up would be in my opinion, long range hunting, beyond 300 yards and that is a different set of considerations. If I were to get into long range hunting I would step up to a magnum cartridge.
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Old 02-22-2014, 7:50 AM
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I can never find 7mm Remington express ammo. Just get a 30 gov and be done.
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Old 02-22-2014, 8:55 AM
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I can never find 7mm Remington express ammo. Just get a 30 gov and be done.
That's because Remington changed it's name back to the 280 Remington about 30 years ago.
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