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Old 02-10-2014, 11:00 PM
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Hey all,

As the title states, I am looking for a non-1911 45 ACP pistol recommendation. Over the weekend, I went to the local gun shop and fondled a couple of medium and full-sized 45 caliber pistols. I held the Sig P220 Equinox, Glock 21, M&P 45, and Springfield XD 45 Service.

My interest is to have a 45 caliber pistol that is reliable, durable, and quality. I think that with the above listed pistols, I really have nothing to worry about in either of those desired qualities. However, I don't want to spend too much money on a pretty pistol (Ahem....Sig P220 Equinox) that I will have to baby or worry about keeping super clean and spotless. That's largely why I don't want another 1911 (I already have Colt GSE Government 1911 100 Year Anniversary pistol that I keep in my safe).

I do not intend to carry the 45 caliber pistol (I already have my 9mm Shield, thank you very much. ). Instead, I would like to have a comfortable-shooting and accurate pistol that is relatively low-maintenance. I held the G 21 and didn't really mind the wide grip and feel. I have a G 19 and have trained extensively with the G 23, so the grip angle and trigger were fine with me. I liked the XD 45 Service a lot, and I kept going back to that even after holding both the M&P 45 and the Equinox. That's right, you read that correctly---the XD felt really fine in my hands, and the trigger seemed fine with me. I wasn't crazy about the stock sights, but then again I am not crazy about the stock Glock sights either. So, I have no problem changing them to Trijicon night sights.

I liked the feel of the full-size M&P, but did not like that trigger, especially the trigger reset. Being trained on the Glock and getting spoiled with that sweet trigger reset, I couldn't warm up to the M&P. The Equinox is pretty and expensive. So, that too is also out of my focus now. I am, however, interested in a more bare-bones P220 if the price is right and the shooting is comfortable.

So.......that leaves me with the XD 45. I was a little taken aback at first by the long pistol grip on a 4" barrel on the Service model. Then, I warmed up to it after a while when I was holding it in the gun shop. I have shot the XD 9 and 40 in the past, and liked them. I don't know that the XD is "better" than a Glock or an M&P. I don't think the M&P, XD, or Glock are better than each other. They each have their strengths and weaknesses. That said, I would like to know from those of you who have experience with (or own) the XD 45 (either Service or Tactical), M&P 45, G 21, or Sig P220, which is the most comfortable, low-recoil (this is relative, I know) shooting pistol. I would be open to adding in my interest list the HK (either HK45 or USP 45) series of pistol.

My hands are on the smaller side of medium-sized hands. I am not recoil-averse, but I don't seek a hand cannon. I can shoot the G 23, but I am not a fan of that snappy caliber. The only non-1911 45 pistol that I have ever shot was a Ruger. The recoil wasn't bad at all, but the action on that Ruger was not smooth at all.

So, people, please share your experiences (both good and bad) with these pistols, and your informed recommendations. No fan boys or trolls, please.

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I have no Idea if the XD45 is better, but I liked the way it fit my hand. About 10K rounds later, I'm still happy. Eats everything, reasonably accurate and never had an issue.
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I like HK45c. It's expensive, tho.
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I like HK45c. It's expensive, tho.
Yes. You beat me to it. I can't decide between the full size or compact at the moment.
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Good post, I'm curious as well. I may make a separate post about this but does anyone have any experience with the EAA Witness in .45? They're priced quite nicely, most are around 500 dollars new.
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For a non 1911, I like the Glock 21 Slim Frame or the XD45.

IMO, I think the stock trigger in the Glock feels a little better than the XD, but they make aftermarket triggers for both. The ergonomics on the XD feels better to me, but the Slim Frame on the Glock fits my hand a lot better than the standard frame. YMMV. You can't go wrong with either. Your best bet is to just rent them and shoot them. I don't know where you live, but 3-4 month back On Target gun range in OC had a Glock 21 SF as a rental along with a XD and M&P.
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I'm in the same boat look for a 45 but not in a 1911 style.. so far it's looking like it's going to be a hk45 or a usp45 not sure if a full size or a compact and a p220 looking at a combat version so it can match my p226 combat
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HK45 or USP45 shoot fantastic

expensive, but yeah.
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Good post, I'm curious as well. I may make a separate post about this but does anyone have any experience with the EAA Witness in .45? They're priced quite nicely, most are around 500 dollars new.
I believe the EAA Witness .45 is a clone of the CZ 97. I have not shot one, but I did handle one and it was definitely on the wide side. Plus I think you may need to SSE an EAA into CA?
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This question comes up often enough. Here are some previous links to help you out.
Hope you find what you're looking for. I'm in the market as well for a non 1911 45.

Best NON-1911 .45 ACP
Favorite non-1911 .45 ACP fullsize pistol?
non 1911 45's
Looking for a new .45 Auto other than a 1911
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Yes. You beat me to it. I can't decide between the full size or compact at the moment.
They have different grip size. The compact version fits my hand perfectly.
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G21, XD45 or M&P45 are all great pistols.

See what feels best to you and shoot them if you get a chance. A good trigger job will do wonders for the XD/M&P. I had a pair of XD's that went to Jeremy at Springfield Custom and an M&P with an Apex FSS trigger.

They are all probably about as close as you will get to a 1911 trigger in a polymer frame. Very short trigger travel, reducing both take up and overtravel so total trigger movement is only about 1/8". Either would be fine with a little tweaking to your liking.
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Cz 97b!
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Cz 97b!
I'll second that. The CZ 97B with the aluminum grips is what I have. It's really thin...even a little too thin. My SP-01 fits my hands like a glove, but my 97B is a lot less rounded on the grips, but still nice to hold. The 97B is scary accurate. I would recommend upgrading the hammer, sear, and trigger to get the best out of it though. Out of the box the EAA Witness Match has a better trigger from what I've read.
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I like the sig227 but I have big hands not sure if a double stack 45 is to fat for u
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I owned both the sig and glock you are thinking about. Sig felt better in the hands but glock was much easier to shoot. Would buy a G21 over a sig anyday.
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Shooting 45's in anything but a 1911 is a sin and you'll burn in hell.

But if you prefer the dark side, I've shot the p220 and that's the one pistol that would make me sin

I have a 228 and love it.
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I owned both the sig and glock you are thinking about. Sig felt better in the hands but glock was much easier to shoot. Would buy a G21 over a sig anyday.
Really? Even though the G21 is a lighter pistol with a wider grip? I would think that the Glock will recoil and muzzle flip like a mofo in 45 ACP, compared to the Sig. Hmm....

Do you recommend the G21 SF?
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Finding a good .45 that isn't a 1911 has also been a challenge for me over the years. I've settled with a G30 for awhile, but I'm about to DROS a P227. It sounds like you and I have the same hand size, so a full-size HK (USP) is too long in the grip to properly handle. The USP 45c did fit me pretty well, but the terrible trigger kept me away from it.
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I have a 228 and love it.
I have one, too. A West German-made one at that. I don't take it out much to shoot, though, as I want to baby it too much.
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Finding a good .45 that isn't a 1911 has also been a challenge for me over the years. I've settled with a G30 for awhile, but I'm about to DROS a P227. It sounds like you and I have the same hand size, so a full-size HK (USP) is too long in the grip to properly handle. The USP 45c did fit me pretty well, but the terrible trigger kept me away from it.
Was the trigger worse than the M&P 45? I guess that's relative, but still....
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G21, XD45 or M&P45 are all great pistols.

See what feels best to you and shoot them if you get a chance. A good trigger job will do wonders for the XD/M&P. I had a pair of XD's that went to Jeremy at Springfield Custom and an M&P with an Apex FSS trigger.

They are all probably about as close as you will get to a 1911 trigger in a polymer frame. Very short trigger travel, reducing both take up and overtravel so total trigger movement is only about 1/8". Either would be fine with a little tweaking to your liking.
Thanks! Yeah, none of them are terrible pistols. I really didn't mind the stock trigger on the XD 45 Service, nor the G 21. But, I have heard----for what that's worth---that the XD is a more pleasant shooter than the Glock in that caliber. I have a G19, and I don the G23 daily for work (not a fan of it, though. ). So, I like the G21 trigger. But, will it kick like a mule in such a light package?
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Its sad that Ruger quit making the P90.

Ive shot lots of 1911's - just bought one, but my P90 is my most accurate semi-auto. I am sure once I get more practice with the 1911, it will be as accurate or better. I bought it new for under $450.

I have had a handful of folks try the P90 and they are all surprised how well they shoot with it. But the thing is light but built like a tank. The Rodney Dangerfield of .45's.

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For a non 1911, I like the Glock 21 Slim Frame or the XD45.

IMO, I think the stock trigger in the Glock feels a little better than the XD, but they make aftermarket triggers for both. The ergonomics on the XD feels better to me, but the Slim Frame on the Glock fits my hand a lot better than the standard frame. YMMV. You can't go wrong with either. Your best bet is to just rent them and shoot them. I don't know where you live, but 3-4 month back On Target gun range in OC had a Glock 21 SF as a rental along with a XD and M&P.
I agree. I'll just have to rent as many different 45's and see what I like best.

I can handle both DA/SA hammer and Glock-like striker-fired pistols just the same. I have a variety of different types of pistols in 380, 9mm, and 40. And, because I'm not planning on carrying the 45, I am open to suggestions so long as it's a comfortable, accurate, and reliable shooter.
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Usp full size in .45 has duel recoil springs where the compact and the new hk45 use a single spring and a plastic buffer. The usp full size is much smoother to shoot, having both I much prefer the usp fullsize...


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A used USP .45 can be found for a price comparable to a new g21 (unless you join gSSF). Only prob is mags are expensive compared to the glocks.
If you like the glock in hand it's the way to go on value. Almost indestructible and certainly not pretty and can be found cheap used which seems to fit your requirements.
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They make guns in .45 that aren't 1911's!?!?!?

honestly only one I have any experience with is the HK UPS45 and have to say it felt good and had a good trigger. I defiantly wouldn't be opposed to purchasing one.
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Its sad that Ruger quit making the P90.

Ive shot lots of 1911's - just bought one, but my P90 is my most accurate semi-auto. I am sure once I get more practice with the 1911, it will be as accurate or better. I bought it new for under $450.

I have had a handful of folks try the P90 and they are all surprised how well they shoot with it. But the thing is light but built like a tank. The Rodney Dangerfield of .45's.

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True.

Not only it shoots well, the Ruger P90 goes bang every time the trigger is pulled. Also, that is a sturdy and tough pistol.

Another suggestion is the S&W 3rd Gen .45ACP pistols especially the 4506.
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Maybe new Glock 41?
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My favorite would be the FNX-45
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I like the sig227 but I have big hands not sure if a double stack 45 is to fat for u
^^ this like the P227 especially with the E2 grips. Not much bigger than a P226 if you love your 228.

The M&P 45 love that grip but totally understand your comment about the trigger... hopefully some apex parts will make it into that gun to fix that.

G21 SF or Gen 4 grip is better but still fairly larger than those other two, but for me I wished that slide was thinner like a 30S.
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CZ 97B is a great choice. Very accurate since it uses a barrel bushing that's 1911ish.
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Here's my list by type of action:

DA/SA: German/West German P220, H&K USP, S&W 4566. In that order.
Striker fire(preset): M&P 45 by a land slide
SAO: Obviously the 1911 but since that isn't a contender. SAO P220
SA/DA: CZ 97

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Funny, I was reading, scrolling down, thinking "How come no one has mentioned the FN 45" then suddenly there it was. I've shot all the main streams (HK,1911's,XD, Glock, etc) and I own quite a few as well.

I must say, the way the FN is engineered, how smooth it shoots, it's balance, and oh yea, 16 rounds of 45 cal black talon, I think my FN might be my go to SHTF handgun.
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just snagged one of these. my first 45, let's see what happens.

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Shooting 45's in anything but a 1911 is a sin and you'll burn in hell.

But if you prefer the dark side, I've shot the p220 and that's the one pistol that would make me sin

I have a 228 and love it.
I have 4 1911's a colt ser 70, a SA, from 1991, a para ordinance, and an original, 1911, from 1928.... the only 45acp, that I found, that I would change to, IS, an S&W M&P45. I never thought that I would go for a "plastic gun", but I am sold on this model. (trigger talk aside), it feels good, shoots good, and carries good. I have 2, a "full size", and a compact model. my para, w/ tlr2, has been relegated to home defense.
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just snagged one of these. my first 45, let's see what happens.

this does look inviting, and "holdable"
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