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Old 01-12-2014, 10:27 AM
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Hi there,

Just curious if Microstamping law is applicable to rimfire semi-automatic pistols. Any input is appreciated

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Old 01-12-2014, 10:34 AM
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It is applicable to ALL handguns to be added to the roster.
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Old 01-12-2014, 10:41 AM
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It is applicable to ALL semi-auto handguns to be added to the roster.
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Thankfully, revolvers and single-shots are not required to have this (yet).
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Thankfully, revolvers and single-shots are not required to have this (yet).
Simple workaround for California:

Buy guns off roster and send to a location out of state, modify guns to single shot w mag block & 6" barrel, import into state, sell guns as single shot and tell customer to come back in a day, modify firearm afterwards to original configuration.

Customer is able to buy new off roster gun and state can "take a hike" with it's extortion fees.
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Buy guns off roster and send to a location out of state, modify guns to single shot, import into state, sell guns as single shot and tell customer to come back in a day, modify firearm afterwards to original configuration.



Customer is able to buy new off roster gun and state can "take a hike" with it's extortion fees.

Until they close that exemption. Micro stamping is intolerable and until we as gun owners act like those in other states successfully pushing back against gun control we will soon be worse than NY


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Until they close that exemption. Micro stamping is intolerable and until we as gun owners act like those in other states successfully pushing back against gun control we will soon be worse than NY


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When that happens, people will just swap to aftermarket firing pins.

These lawmakers are a joke to think people will accept this.
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Thankfully, revolvers and single-shots are not required to have this (yet).
Good catch, of course you are correct.
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We said goodbye to the Ruger SR22 because Ruger will not microstamp it to get back on the roster.
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When that happens, people will just swap to aftermarket firing pins.

These lawmakers are a joke to think people will accept this.
I agree!


In addition this opens up other possible legal issues for law-abiding gun owners.

Two examples how this would not prevent or help solve crimes. *
1. What if your spent brass left at the range is picked up and left at a crime scene, *you may very well get cleared as long as you have plenty of time and money.
2. What if you are a reloader this could complicate things, would you be responsible for all the used brass in your possession and their source?

These are just two examples I'm sure there are more. In addition on how easy would it be for a person to*circumvent it anyways.**

IMO, micro-stamping creates more problems than it supposedly it trying to solve. **
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I find it disturbing that so few Calgunners seem to be on the site raving about the end result of this micro-stamping issue.
It is as though...Oh well we dodged the bullets in the last legislative session...everything is OK now.

Why are we not seeing seeing more of our gunnies voicing anger and concern?

With legislative proposals for annual ammunition purchasing licenses and the gradual decline of firearms on the damn roster I think we are just plain screwed.
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When that happens, people will just swap to aftermarket firing pins.

These lawmakers are a joke to think people will accept this.
It's not just the firing pin, the microstamping array needs to mark the cartridge in two or more locations.



Penal Code 31910
As used in this part, "unsafe handgun" means any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, for which any of the following is true:
(b) For a pistol:
(7)(A) Commencing January 1, 2010, for all semiautomatic pistols that are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 32015, it is not designed and equipped with a microscopic array of characters that identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol, etched or otherwise imprinted in two or more places on the interior surface or internal working parts of the pistol, and that are transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is fired, provided that the Department of Justice certifies that the technology used to create the imprint is available to more than one manufacturer unencumbered by any patent restrictions.
(B) The Attorney General may also approve a method of equal or greater reliability and effectiveness in identifying the specific serial number of a firearm from spent cartridge casings discharged by that firearm than that which is set forth in this paragraph, to be thereafter required as otherwise set forth by this paragraph where the Attorney General certifies that this new method is also unencumbered by any patent restrictions. Approval by the Attorney General shall include notice of that fact via regulations adopted by the Attorney General for purposes of implementing that method for purposes of this paragraph.
(C) The microscopic array of characters required by this section shall not be considered the name of the maker, model, manufacturer's number, or other mark of identification, including any distinguishing number or mark assigned by the Department of Justice, within the meaning of Sections 23900 and 23920.
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