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Old 12-30-2013, 10:54 AM
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711-never said versatility bad. its just being used to explode people wallets. that all

big- im saying that demand for AR is what makes it success. if you follow what im saying its that the only thing that success about AR is its demand and market ability.
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711-never said versatility bad. its just being used to explode people wallets. that all

big- im saying that demand for AR is what makes it success. if you follow what im saying its that the only thing that success about AR is its demand and market ability.
I use to have the same view as ARs and I thought people just bought ARs because it's similar to what the military uses. But after I got mine that opinion quickly changed. The AR works, hands down. Most people compare the reliability to the AK and quickly say the AR sucks because it's not as reliable as the AK but fact is, it wasn't meant to. The AK was strictly envisioned to be as reliable as possible which sacrifices accuracy. The AR was meant to be a light weight rifle with accuracy in mind. And the smaller round helps that because you can easily follow up shots if you miss. Now at the range, it's not a big deal. But when you're being shot at, I would want something I could control much easier under stress. My LMT eats anything and runs dry or wet. Idk maybe I got lucky and got a very good AR but I doubt it. It works and I am very happy with it. Best .223 rifle IMO.
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711-never said versatility bad. its just being used to explode people wallets. that all

big- im saying that demand for AR is what makes it success. if you follow what im saying its that the only thing that success about AR is its demand and market ability.
What he is saying is that it is really hard to follow what you are saying because your sentence structure is a miserable fail.
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I use to have the same view as ARs and I thought people just bought ARs because it's similar to what the military uses. But after I got mine that opinion quickly changed. The AR works, hands down. Most people compare the reliability to the AK and quickly say the AR sucks because it's not as reliable as the AK but fact is, it wasn't meant to. The AK was strictly envisioned to be as reliable as possible which sacrifices accuracy. The AR was meant to be a light weight rifle with accuracy in mind. And the smaller round helps that because you can easily follow up shots if you miss. Now at the range, it's not a big deal. But when you're being shot at, I would want something I could control much easier under stress. My LMT eats anything and runs dry or wet. Idk maybe I got lucky and got a very good AR but I doubt it. It works and I am very happy with it. Best .223 rifle IMO.
Im some what with you. yes you can Make AR reliable as hell and still be DI the same with AK can be made to be as accurate as hell too.

and as far as today is concern if you buy a gun I don't care who makes it or what it is. if you buy name brand (good manufacture) they are reliable and accurate.

todays AR is nothing more then jewelry. and that how 90% of AR are marketed.

(example look in sale how many people have quite few safe queens and admit it)

yes there few that ar for competition and few for reliably. but there few and far. I have seen 2 true competition AR and 100s of the jewelry ones.

so as I said its success as far as sales go.

but its history will for ever plag the rifle. so that a failure there.

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What is the point of this discussion, really? The AR has done what is was designed to do, how can anyone say it is a failure? Like all weapon systems it had problems at first but over the years it has been refined to the point where those issues have been ironed out.. If you compare the AR to more modern rifles then it starts to look a little lacking yes, but keep in mind the AR has been in use by the US and many other countries, armies, military, and god knows what other organizations or groups around the world for their past fifty years.. "Failures" simply don't stay around that long.
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Reminds me of the guy at the ammo store last week... "I can nail a 5" pattern at 1000 yard with my AR, so I'd say I'm a pretty good shot."
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Reminds me of the guy at the ammo store last week... "I can nail a 5" pattern at 1000 yard with my AR, so I'd say I'm a pretty good shot."
That is a 0.5MOA group so he is indeed MORE then a "good" shot.

Now if you perhaps meant "100 yards" then yes he sucks.
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The AR is the symbol of hate and fear from the opposition-that makes it a huge success-
now somebody blast this guy JMP
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That is a 0.5MOA group so he is indeed MORE then a "good" shot.

Now if you perhaps meant "100 yards" then yes he sucks.
Oh I assumed he meant 100yds but he corrected me. I asked about bullet grain and what powder he liked to load with. Also how much he had to dope the scope. He said "with XM855, Federal designed it for long distance shots so I don't need much more than four or five clicks."

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The AR15/M16 was also meant to be a light weight rifle with effective stopping power/range that along with ammo, would be easy on the troops to transport. I think it accomplished that.
lol "stopping power"

you know how i know someone doesnt know dick about ballistics? they use the words "stopping power" to describe a caliber.

5.56 was not designed to kill. it was designed to fragment and wound. it was the US military's way of getting around the hollow-point restriction in warfare.
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lol "stopping power"

you know how i know someone doesnt know dick about ballistics? they use the words "stopping power" to describe a caliber.

5.56 was not designed to kill. it was designed to fragment and wound. it was the US military's way of getting around the hollow-point restriction in warfare.
Better than "knockdown power"
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lol "stopping power"

you know how i know someone doesnt know dick about ballistics? they use the words "stopping power" to describe a caliber.

5.56 was not designed to kill. it was designed to fragment and wound. it was the US military's way of getting around the hollow-point restriction in warfare.
If you're such an expert on ballistics, you would know that "stopping" does not equate to "killing".
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Bottom line, the AR15 is the pinnacle of small arms design.

That guy is a idiot and can F off and die.
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So has anyone ate at 5 guys burgers down here in socal? Im debating on trying it out over just scarfing down some cake.

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JMP strikes me as the kind of guy (i assume) who tries an apple and is unhappy with it because it isn't an orange.
The apple is a "bolt gun" and the orange is a "semi automatic." Theres an obvious reason the military uses high capacity magazines and not single shot rifles. Except for those long single shots. Shot both today at Lytle at 300. Guess how i did hittng that gong

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I was issued the M16A1 when I was in the Air Force in Vietnam. It had the open 3-pronged flash suppressor, so we could place the prong over the bailing wire on the C-ration cases and twist the butt stock to snap the wire. Ours did not have the forward assist like the Army guys had out in the field.
In the 70's there was the civilian version called the AR15 which was on sale at many gun stores.
The M16 selector switch was-Safe, Semi and Auto.
The Air force still uses the AR type rifle with the solid stock but the handguards are different. The Air Force is replacing those with the M4. Exactly like the LE6920CA. The Air Force version selector is: Safe, Semi and Burst. Its a 3 round burst, so the ammo wont be wasted and the shooter has more control.
I just bought the LE6920CA and like it. Oh yes, its a Colt!
I forgot to mention. At Tan Son Nhut where I was stationed, the K9 guys had the CAR15's. The looked just like the M4's used now with the collapsible stock, but forward of the front sight, the barrel was somewhat plain and solid only about 8" long. They were the only ones that had the CAR's besides some officers.
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Oh I assumed he meant 100yds but he corrected me. I asked about bullet grain and what powder he liked to load with. Also how much he had to dope the scope. He said "with XM855, Federal designed it for long distance shots so I don't need much more than four or five clicks."

I walked away.
You just didn't know that he was a High Master and had the mythical 2MOA sights.
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I laugh at those that think just because our Government/Military has used something for 30-40 plus years, it must be the best option. What a joke!!

You do realize EVERYTHING is cost/time constraint based. If you don't change your middle name to Na´ve.
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In this thread, JMP proclaimed:



I didn't want to derail that thread, and anyway I thought this statement deserves its own thread. Curious to hear if you agree, or disagree. Give reasoning too.

I think the Krag rifle gets the nod as the greatest failure even more so than the M14.
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I always thought the M16 would have been worlds better if it just had a spring loaded dust cover....
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I laugh at those that think just because our Government/Military has used something for 30-40 plus years, it must be the best option. What a joke!!

You do realize EVERYTHING is cost/time constraint based. If you don't change your middle name to Na´ve.
true that. does any one really think the hk 416 was a better option than lwrc ic, m6a2 or the scar L? politics won out not a superior product.
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1200 rounds through my build without a single failure . Sucks.
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Bottom line, the AR15 is the pinnacle of small arms design.

That guy is a idiot and can F off and die.
Strong words from a keyboard commando, don't you think?
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So has anyone ate at 5 guys burgers down here in socal? Im debating on trying it out over just scarfing down some cake.

Oh yeah, 556 yay
I've been to the one in West Covina and was not disappointed. The option to put A1 sauce on my burger is what really set the burger off for me.

The gun laws suck here, but the burger options (IN-N-Out & 5 guys) are definitly top notch
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Oh Really ?..









If the mini-14 was actually worth a crap, how come the A-team never hit anyone with the damn things?

If they had AR-15's each episode probably would have been a few minutes shorter.
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When did the US military adopt the AR15?
When I was in the Army almost all of them were marked AR-15 and M-16 A1
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DOesnt anyone know the ar was only supposed to replace the 30 carbine??

Ill add one more thought, modular is cool... for those who need it, the rest is like taking a Honda to auto-zone its not going to make it any faster.. but the chrome shift knob looks cool..
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Lt Michael Chervenak would support JMP's claim about the M16 when it was first fielded in Vietnam as it resulted in the deaths of his men and his numerous letters to his COs of failures in the field were completely ignored. He is a hero that the history books will never write about.

But a lot has changed since then and the platform has evolved into a more-than effective battlefield weapon.
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