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Old 08-22-2013, 8:21 PM
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Default Ladies forum.... what year is this, like 1950?

I realize that the majority of calguns members are men, and some are pretty conservative, but hey this is the 21st century and you don't call women "ladies" if you want to be taken seriously by women.
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Im not a lady but in what context do you not call a women a "lady"?

I am an idiot!
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well, back when Mr K started this forum and was asking for input re the name I chimed in with "I'm a woman not a lady" but apparently he decided to name it what he wanted. it is his forum and his website so who are the rest of us to argue?! got a problem with it? take it up with Mr K.
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I realize that the majority of calguns members are men, and some are pretty conservative, but hey this is the 21st century and you don't call women "ladies" if you want to be taken seriously by women.
Back in the 50's and before a MAN, especially a Gentleman, referred to a woman by a title that showed respect and class.
She is a Lady.

Prior to that in history, women were given a title that conveyed class, authority and standing and commanded respect.
The Lady XXXXX.

You'll forgive me if I'm a bit old school, I open doors for my Wife, pull out her chair and generally treat her like the Lady she is.
And I do the same for others as well.

Honestly I find it amazing that anyone would have an issue with a proper title or see it as a slight. It would be like taking offense to someone referring to a man as 'Sir'.
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well said, Mr K! as usual............
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Being a lady is not mutually exclusive with being a woman. Certainly not all women are ladies, which is a description of behavior. I am always a woman and sometimes I'm a lady. Sometimes I'm a Range-master. Some times I'm a cast-iron b***h. Women have many roles in life.

OP, politically I think you are right. But I do think that Kestryl was trying to attract as many women as possible at the time and thought 'ladies' would cover it best.

Just in passing, contrary to the military and law-enforcement "female" is a description of anatomy, not of humans and it sets my teeth on edge. Why do some people just have such a hard time with saying "woman"?

But thanks for asking the question. Good one.
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Being a lady is not mutually exclusive with being a woman. Certainly not all women are ladies, which is a decription of behavior. I am always a woman and sometimes I'm a lady. Sometimes I'm a Range-master. Some times I'm a cast-iron b***h. Women have many roles in life.

OP, politically I think you are right. But I do think that Kestryl was trying to attract as many women as possible at the time and thought 'ladies' would cover it best.

Just in passing, contrary to the military and law-enforcement "female" is a description of anatomy, not of humans and it sets my teeth on edge. Why do some people just have such a hard time with saying "woman"?

But thanks for asking the question. Good one.
Ha...........well said, Bonnie............ : )

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Funny story about the context of the way someone is addressed.

I had was participating in a program geared to inner city middle and high school girls (I was a speaker not one of the girls).

The girls kinda took to me because I wasn't in a suit looking like their mom or a teacher. Instead I was in jeans/hoodie and I have a piercing. Basically my theme was go to college because if you do you can get a cool job like being a video game developer.

At the end of the program they were asking the girls what they thought and opinions. One of the girls got up and was complimenting me but couldn't remember my name and didn't know I was in the room. She said "the lady, well not really a lady... the chick that was in room B..."

Another speaker behind me who was in a suit and definitely had the 'mom' look to her said under her breath to the other speaker beside her, "I want to be a 'chick'!".


So it's all in context.
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yep, it is all context, kali.
I may not always be a lady but i'm always one hell of a woman!
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Hmmm. I never really thought about it much. Call me a woman, lady, gal, sista, Kiddo (and I’m 49)…whatever. As previous posters said, it’s the context of what’s being said and how it’s said that’s important to me. (To be called kiddo, say, by an elderly gentleman just makes me smile.
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Ladies' Forum= Classy Place to Discuss Gun Topics.

Womens' Forum= Shoe Clearance Aisle at The Gap.

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Ladies' Forum= Classy Place to Discuss Gun Topics.

Womens' Forum= Shoe Clearance Aisle at The Gap.

Well said! This place is classy! Do they sell shoes at the Gap???
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Old 08-23-2013, 10:35 PM
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I don't give a flying......oh wait, that isn't "lady like".

I really could care less unless it is meant in a derogatory manner.

Do men care if we call them gentlemen, dudes, men or guys? ......whatever.
I just really don't care unless they aren't my husband and they call me sweetie or something.
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Lady is good with me. It's the sound of class and loveliness, at least to my ear. Thanks, Kestryll!

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Lady is good with me. It's the sound of class and loveliness, at least to my ear. Thanks, Kestryl!
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I think it's okay and I am of the male persuasion. Therefore ...
However, I would object if they were to call it the Gals Forum. That one drives me nuts.
Both my father and his wife used that one all the time and I hated it.
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Ladies' Forum= Classy Place to Discuss Gun Topics.

Womens' Forum= Shoe Clearance Aisle at The Gap.

Again, the allergy to calling women "women".

And in answer to the question about men not minding being called guys, men, fellas, boys etc. They have not been stereotyped much. People who have been stereotyped can be rather particular about how they are addressed. Don't believe it? Use the N word in Oakland and see how far you get.

Some women would rather buy ammo than shoes. Me, for instance. The shoe clearance remark really stereotypes women. I didn't think it particularly funny, even knowing it was probably a joke. Yet another example of unconscious, inadvertent insults.

Now don't get me wrong. Open and hold doors for me, carry my rifle bags, tell me I'm gorgeous all day long. Just don't underestimate me.
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As a Gentleman I prefer to use the term Lady.

Not sure why a sleazy strip joint is called a Gentleman's Club though, since there are anything but Gentleman in attendance. Guess they're trying to give the establishment some class.

I also open doors, let Ladies go first, etc. Very rarely do I get negative feedback. Mostly it's a bit of surprise and appreciation. When I'm out with my wife and we see a Lady struggling with something where it's clear she could use another hand she usually looks at me and gives me the nod to go ask if assistance would be appreciated. Again, I don't mind at all and it has always been appreciated.
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For me, it's a mixed bag - I'm not really bothered one way or the other.

As someone who works in public safety, I get referred to as "female" all the time. For example, "Could someone let the female recruits know that we have extra gloves available in the box outside of the office?" and "We're ready to make lodging arrangements. How many female firefighters will be in your group?" It's just par for the course with me.

On the other hand, with my sorority, I often find myself referring to or addressing the group as "ladies". In this case, it's harder to find a term that is appropriate for a wide range of ages.

I don't mind the relatively neutral term of "women". It's useful in most situations.
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I guess I really don't see the term as derogatory as much as it is descriptive. I guess it would depend on how it is used.

I am female and a woman and sometimes a lady.

Men are men, gentlemen, guys and male.

I just really don't see the problem.
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I would like to know when it became derogatory?

A lady is a special kind of women. One with more poise than the average women.

Harder to come by, but very sought after. To be with a lady... now that's something.

I grew up in the 80's I don't have the foggiest clue why all of a sudden in the last 5 - 10 years women take offense to it.

Audrey Hepburn's comes to mind when I think of a lady.... I really think men and women are at a different page on this whole lady/women thing.
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Another notch in the belt of having to walk on politically correct eggshells. "Lady" is derogatory? Seriously?

Who is behind all of this PC-ness????
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I was reffered to this thread by a friend.

Lets move this into the open board where men who try to leave you a place to yourself. Instead of hiding in the ladies room?

Lets start by taking you serious and make all physical qualifications for jobs equall. No more lady standard and male standard.

Kes just give me 30 on the beach my head is about to explode.

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Manolito, I do not think the OP intended to encompass the issues you are putting forth. I believe the topic put forth by the OP is/was more along the lines of "why is this forum called the Ladies' Forum" the discussion is about the words "lady" and "woman".......and given the responses by both men and women and the creator of this forum, Mr K, I think my take on this thread is accurate.

I also seem to remember OT discussions in a thread or two or three regarding the issues you have brought up.

rather than move this thread which was appropriately started in this area and which up until now has appropriately addressed the OP's question, well, it would seem more logical that you start your own thread in OT if you wish to discuss the issues you raised.
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If I refer to all men as 'Gentlemen', will I be excused for calling all Women 'Ladies'?
The young girls that come to our house to hang out with my Son and Daughter are also called 'Ladies', even when they are barely 10 years old. Until I saw this thread, I had never heard a complaint.
What other major social problems should I be concerned about?
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with calling someone of the female sex "Ladies". Geez, what's wrong with everyone? Its a form of respect and politeness, nothing more. We have seen the decline of civility, respect and general good manners in this society and I, for one, am sorry for it. Most of the young generation are taught nothing about how to behave towards others. Tolerance towards others upbringing is also so important: some men were taught to refer to women as ladies or use the term "ma'am". Some weren't.
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Being a lady is not mutually exclusive with being a woman. Certainly not all women are ladies, which is a description of behavior. I am always a woman and sometimes I'm a lady. Sometimes I'm a Range-master. Some times I'm a cast-iron b***h. Women have many roles in life.

OP, politically I think you are right. But I do think that Kestryl was trying to attract as many women as possible at the time and thought 'ladies' would cover it best.

Just in passing, contrary to the military and law-enforcement "female" is a description of anatomy, not of humans and it sets my teeth on edge. Why do some people just have such a hard time with saying "woman"?

But thanks for asking the question. Good one.
Something tells me that Kes would have been tarred and feathered if he had decided to call the forum "Cast Iron Beach's forum"
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So side question, thread jack, "that lady cut me off" () j/k however you wanna put it.

When we create the Women on Target artwork for the clinics we use the phrase "Ladies"... so are you finding that offensive? ok? eh? Don't care?

The clinics are for the women, ladies, girls, etc., so..... comments?

For reference, here's our latest one.

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my take: I actually like it, ricky-ray.
its clearly for women only: women on target.
then stated again: women only.

the use of "ladies" is a replacement for a name, for example, "moviezombie, would you like to.....".

I think you've got the best of both worlds in your latest.

I would dislike "ladies on target" and "for ladies only".

I think you've struck the right balance and for all the right reasons.

eta: LOL, CSA! I think many of the male calgunners already think of it as the "cast iron beach's" forum!
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In passing, "political correctness" has a purpose. Its purpose is to stamp out derogatory terms for stereotyped people, thereby reducing the stereotype. There is a reason why the N word is not used outside of African American circles any longer, where it was common up until the 70's. Political Correctness is exactly what it sounds like. Language IS political. The politics of language is critically important to how we think about people.

Don't believe it? Go call any minority person, including gay men and women, asians, african americans, native americans, you name it, by a term commonly used in the 1950's. I won't bother to list them here, we all know the words. And after you get up off the ground, think again.

We all teach our children not to call people derogatory names. There's a reason for that, we don't want them to seem like ignorant cretins at pre-school. Name me one politically incorrect term that you would like to hear your ten year old using in public. Name me one. The culture has changed, and for the better, by using respectful terms for all people. How can respect possibly do any harm?

However, if you absolutely insist on proving that you are ignorant and badly raised, persist in calling women "chicks" or other B words of your choice. Use the N word. Use the C word. We'll all understand who you really are.
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Ignorant cretins? I resemble that!

I don't get it. All this because somebody used the term "lady". Sheesh.
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If you still don't get why language is important, see my post immediately above. If you still don't get it after that, call me and I'll explain it. -- Again.
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• Don't have children until you're married five years or at least age 30.
• Put 10% of your salary into savings every month no matter how broke you are.
• Don't ever screw around with the IRS.
• Keep a handgun on your bedside table.
• Don't smart-mouth judges, or cops who stop you on the road.

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apparently i am sending mixed messages...

Women on Target is vanilla but Refuse to be a Victim really irks me - smells like we are pre-labelled and works on a fear based factor. How about calling it: Victim, my Azz - and i do apologize in advance for not being ladylike in my my vocabulary.

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Love it, CS.
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• Don't have children until you're married five years or at least age 30.
• Put 10% of your salary into savings every month no matter how broke you are.
• Don't ever screw around with the IRS.
• Keep a handgun on your bedside table.
• Don't smart-mouth judges, or cops who stop you on the road.
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Refuse to be a Victim really irks me - smells like we are pre-labelled and works on a fear based factor. How about calling it: Victim, my Azz

Hahahahahaha!!!!


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hmmm.... I was way off.

I thought this was the "laddies" forum for all the young Scots we have in CA
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