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Old 09-06-2013, 7:42 AM
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Hopefully so few people buy ammo permits, they decide its not worth the money to keep the system in place.

I for one will not get a ammo permit, I have enough ammo stocked up right now for 5 years of my regular shooting needs, I will stock another 5 years worth before they pull the plug on mail order.
if few people buy permits that will cause the price of the permit to be very large or cause the state to lose significant money on the plan. If they have to support the backbone for this licensing requirement and they dont get some minimum number of permits that they expect then any/all estimates about fiscal impact will be way off. I for one would love to see the state lose millions on this.
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Old 09-06-2013, 7:47 AM
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Naw,they'll pass a law next year requiring ammo sold in CA to have a state tax seal .Get caught with an unmarked box of WWB and you'll pay a $1000 fine.

Sure it violates the Constitution,but so does gun control in general.With a leftist in DC,the holplophobes know Washington's got their back.
naw..too easy to get around..simply dump your new ammo in ammo cans.
If stopped just say..Cal guns law suck so went to < insert state of your choosing> to shoot..end of story
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Old 09-06-2013, 7:58 AM
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The idea is to make owning a gun such a pain in the a--s that no one bothers to try.Since they cannot explicitly ban guns,they erect barriers to ensure people decide the RKBA is too much trouble.
This is dead nuts on target. The irony of course is that the people who are most likely to need a gun for self defense are the ones least likely to be able to afford it. The argument began with the "saturday night special" and continues today.

If I can afford a $1200 handgun, and a $200 box of .45acp, I'm probably much less likely to need it for self defense than someone whose budget is $100 for both gun and ammo...

Of course they don't care. They want them all gone regardless.

We are in fact one of the few minority groups (along with smokers) who can be openly attacked with no consequences feared.
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Old 09-06-2013, 8:15 AM
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Do you really believe that you and the other "loose lips sink ships" curmudgeons,
are smarter than the Sacto Nazis?

Mostly, yes. Or else the ammo bill would have been perfectly crafted the first time DeLeon tried it—and failed miserably. And he still might not have a winner yet. Yee is fishing for ways to get at bullet buttons and failed. Now he is just trying to ban all semi-auto rifles which has a good chance of failing as well. Maybe we over-play it, but I'd rather over-play it and than under-play it—in my experience, you let an inch go, then its two, then six and the next thing you know you have a foot gone. It's human nature.
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Old 09-06-2013, 8:29 AM
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Mostly, yes. Or else the ammo bill would have been perfectly crafted the first time DeLeon tried it—and failed miserably. And he still might not have a winner yet. Yee is fishing for ways to get at bullet buttons and failed. Now he is just trying to ban all semi-auto rifles which has a good chance of failing as well. Maybe we over-play it, but I'd rather over-play it and than under-play it—in my experience, you let an inch foot, then its two, then six and the next thing you know you have a foot gone. It's human nature.
I for one think there is chance that BOTH the ammo ban and semi auto ban have a chance of failing. (I am not counting on it and planning my purchases as if everything will go through)

Even if they do fail this year, they will just try again next year. And the year after until they have their way. Our only option is to keep fighting.
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Old 09-06-2013, 8:33 AM
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I for one think there is chance that BOTH the ammo ban and semi auto ban have a chance of failing. (I am not counting on it and planning my purchases as if everything will go through)

Even if they do fail this year, they will just try again next year. And the year after until they have their way. Our only option is to keep fighting.
I am with you 100%. I have my contingency plans in place but I have not given up the fight. And even if these pass, court injunctions are a real possibility just like last time. I expect we'll see Holder get involved at Obama's request (just like Holder ordered the local FL DA not to release George Zimmerman's gun even though he was cleared of all charges). Obama fights dirty.
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The idea is to make owning a gun such a pain in the a--s that no one bothers to try.Since they cannot explicitly ban guns,they erect barriers to ensure people decide the RKBA is too much trouble.
this has been the plan of the Brady's for decades they are now in reach of that goal to effectively ban ownership of handguns.
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this has been the plan of the Brady's for decades they are now in reach of that goal to effectively ban ownership of handguns.
Only in the Leftist Peoples Republics of Neujoosey, Neuyawk, and Kalifornia ruled by Leftists supported by a gun-fear-craven electorate is that going to be true..
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Now I'm showing my ignorance and I apologize. What does "out to print, back on file" mean in regard to the bills?
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Old 09-06-2013, 11:25 AM
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What was the context?
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What was the context?
The assembly is voting on the firearms bill (and others) almost everything is "out to print, back on file"
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I am as puzzled as you but I'd venture a guess that it means the opportunity for amendments and changes is over so they are printing it up for final review before a full vote. But a search of the web did not show the phrase so I don't know. I hope someone here does...
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It sounds like the two of you may have been paying attention to what was happening at the assembly today. If anything has happened can you give a little more detailed update?
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Old 09-06-2013, 11:55 AM
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It sounds like the two of you may have been paying attention to what was happening at the assembly today. If anything has happened can you give a little more detailed update?
I wasn't paying strict attention so I don't want venture a guess any more than I already guessed about the arcane print and file jargon.
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K thanks, I have the live stream on now, they are in recess until 2. If I hear anything I'll try and post it up.
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I had to Run some errands, so I'll be away from my computer for a couple hours. If all they're going to do is "out to print, back on file" everything (and I don't know what that means) I'm in no hurry to get back.
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Would a private party in another state be able ship ammo to a private party in CA?

OT, Will we see supply issues if we start bombing Syria?

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Would a private party in another state be able ship ammo to a private party in CA?

OT, Will we see supply issues if we start bombing Syria?

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"30312. (a) (1) The delivery or transfer of ownership of ammunition may only occur in a face-to-face transaction with the deliverer or transferor being provided bona fide evidence of identity from the purchaser or other transferee."

The only sales allowed are by a licensed ammo vendor to a buyer with the proper "permission" and identification. All info stored and sent to LE and the CA DOJ. You'll have like an instant check with the DOJ before your purchase can be completed.
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The bill was amended again today. See here: http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...avClient.xhtml The blue text are additions and the red text are deletions.
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The bill was amended again today. See here: http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...=201320140SB53 The blue text are additions and the red text are deletions.
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The bill was amended again today. See here: http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...avClient.xhtml The blue text are additions and the red text are deletions.
They added some section about record keeping (which looks like total registration to me, though I didn't look closely)

They re-added the ability to ship internet orders to an FFL for pickup

They removed the requirement of a fingerprint to purchase ammo.
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I am with you 100%. I have my contingency plans in place but I have not given up the fight.
I totally agree with you. I realize there are some fixing to move to other states and that's maybe best for them. It is great, though, to know some will try sticking it out and fighting for the freedom our ancestors enjoyed.
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This sheds a little light on why SB53 went bye-bye... it'll be back in some form for sure next year:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...ke-of-killings
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This actually shows that Brown isn't just swept away by emotion. The disturbing thing is why didn't he do the same with the other bills like SB374, etc.
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This sheds a little light on why SB53 went bye-bye... it'll be back in some form for sure next year:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...ke-of-killings
I stopped reading after "ban adapters to convert magazines to high capacity"

It's hard to give a carp about a columnist's piece when they have no clue what they are writing about.
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This sheds a little light on why SB53 went bye-bye... it'll be back in some form for sure next year:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...ke-of-killings
It sure will be back next year and if it faiks again it will be introduced until it does pass.
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I stopped reading after "ban adapters to convert magazines to high capacity"

It's hard to give a carp about a columnist's piece when they have no clue what they are writing about.
I try to cut a little slack from time to time since even members of our own "gun culture" don't know how to use terminology properly, let alone people who are complete laymen.

The content of the article is very illustrative of how the legislative process works behind the scenes though, but I guess you didn't finish the article to get the big picture.
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Huh, so I guess this bill is dead for the year. Good to know.
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I try to cut a little slack from time to time since even members of our own "gun culture" don't know how to use terminology properly, let alone people who are complete laymen.

The content of the article is very illustrative of how the legislative process works behind the scenes though, but I guess you didn't finish the article to get the big picture.
Yes, but the members here aren't writing and debating legislation that affects everyone.
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What is the status of this bill?
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Dead, for now.



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Long dead bro, died in committee

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...=201320140SB53

(Could [will?] come back as something else next year)
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Looks like it's dead.
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Dead, Dead, Dead.

Mostly dead.

Dead until next year when they propose a new crop of anti-gun bills.

But next year they have to climb the same hill they couldn't climb this year.

So it's pretty well dead.
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Seems to have come back to life ...
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Yes, I heard it yesterday. It's resurrected to partner with AB-1014. Mr. de Leon, just cannot fathom why the Santa Barbara fellow needed 400 cartridges, I guess.

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This is retarded, there should be a limit on introducing a bill or its offspring to ONCE per the duration of its birther's term of office....

I HATE THESE POLITICIANS....... like the damn roaches I spray at home....but I respect the roaches more...

Crooked stupid douches who cannot even read or get the terminology correct for that which they are trying to ban.......

I thought he was being investigated for something also... if not we need to find dirt quick.......... F************************************************* *****************K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!
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