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Old 09-02-2013, 7:55 AM
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Does anyone have any information on what the firearm and ammo manufactures are doing to help CA gun owners? CA gun owners obviously have a lot to lose, but so do the manufactures. CA is a huge market for them. Everyone was in support for no LEO sales to other states (CO,NY). Maybe one or two had the same policies for CA. But what happens if these bills do pass? Their sale will drop sharply. Do they think they can make up lost sales from CA from the other 49 states? They should be calling SAC to tell the politicians that they won't sell to CA LE.
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Old 09-02-2013, 8:04 AM
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Does anyone have any information on what the firearm and ammo manufactures are doing to help CA gun owners? CA gun owners obviously have a lot to lose, but so do the manufactures. CA is a huge market for them. Everyone was in support for no LEO sales to other states (CO,NY). Maybe one or two had the same policies for CA. But what happens if these bills do pass? Their sale will drop sharply. Do they think they can make up lost sales from CA from the other 49 states? They should be calling SAC to tell the politicians that they won't sell to CA LE.
Gun companies are businesses,not political action committees.

As such their loyalties are to the profit margins,not the 2nd Amendment.Furthermore gun control doesn't affect their bottom line as dramatically as it would seem-in fact ,gun control may actually HELP companies make money in CA.

For example,the Safe Handgun Roster gurantees their obsolete products will continue to sell for large profit margins long after the rest of America's moved on,and FFL requirements on private sales reduces secondary market transactions.10 round magazines can be sold at a higher profit then standard models elsewhere,and a 10 day wait motivates customers to buy high margin accessories before taking their gun home.
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+1 for the almighty dollar! And what happens when the ammo tax in increased? Ammo purchasing permits are required? All semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines are banned?

Will we need an Ammo purchasing permit to buy ammo at a range for same day use at that range?
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+1 for the almighty dollar! And what happens when the ammo tax in increased? Ammo purchasing permits are required? All semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines are banned?

Will we need an Ammo purchasing permit to buy ammo at a range for same day use at that range?
Well,look at Europe.Buying a gun on that continent requires almost $2000 in fee payments and government rectal probing,just to transport a cased gun to and from the range.Yet Beretta and HK aren't hurting for business there.
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Beretta and HK have a large international sales base, to LE and Military. If they lost all sales to the USA, they'd feel it. One state in one country isn't going to matter.
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I always wondered when/if Surefire would start speaking up like S&W did recently in MA mass media & social media.
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With recent buying epidemics I doubt manufacturers are sweating CA right now. Later, but not right now.
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Actually even with our laws Cali civilians are some of the largest purchasers of firearms as a state. We are a huge market. There are manufacturers that help, they just might not start threads about it.

Although I get the point, it would be nice if they could do more. Even if it was parts donations for us to have more raffles etc. At the end of the day it is our fight, and we'll fight every step.
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Actually even with our laws Cali civilians are some of the largest purchasers of firearms as a state. We are a huge market...
Correct. 1 in 8 Americans lives in California.

So many sellers on Gunbroker could (potentially) increase their sales by double digits if they just took a few days to learn the relatively simple requirements for CA compliance. Magazines no larger than 10 rounds, bullet button installation (with added fee of course), SSE, etc.
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With recent buying epidemics I doubt manufacturers are sweating CA right now. Later, but not right now.
And when the cash cow is taken away, then what?

I see that changes to SB374 this past weekend have now excluded rimfires.
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the people in the food chain who will be hurting more if these bills passed are local gun shops imo...

yet, from the outside looking in, everything looks normal at these places. some of them have posters inside the store but none have posters on their windows facing the street....
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There are a lot of things done by a variety of gun manufactures (both in state and out of state) that promote 2A rights on your behalf. While the lawsuits, compliance product launches, and special promotion events (FNA, CRPA, etc.) are in the public eye, there are a lot of things done on the sidelines. Yes, each manufacturer must make a buck along the way or they cease to be a going concern. (BTW, there's nothing wrong with capitalism. It improves the quality, price, and availability for the consumer market.)

LE sales are valued, but minimal. The commercial market is 95% or more of the national market. California represents probably 10% of the national commercial market, so it behooves manufacturers to invest in figuring out ways to navigate the DOJ regs. To that end, we have already created some options for 2014 should all the bills pass. We hope the bills go down in flames on the Governor's desk, but I wouldn't want to bet the farm on that. Rest assured that Franklin Armory and other manufacturers are working to retain your rights, roll back 2A infringements, and invent new compliance products as needed.
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I always wondered when/if Surefire would start speaking up like S&W did recently in MA mass media & social media.
I'm sorry, but there's no amount of backpeddling that will make up for S&W's back stabbing in the 90s.

Surefire hasn't done anything to stab us yet, so even if they don't speak up, they are miles ahead of S&W in my book.
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