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Old 09-01-2013, 8:38 AM
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Hello guys and gals, I am at a crossroads in life and strongly considering a change of careers. I'm 25 years old and currently have an AA degree that I have decided to finish and get a Bachelors. I can go one of several ways but my biggest priorities are stability and making enough money to support a family. Currently I make around 60k a year (Hourly so it varies) but I am in a field that is constantly working itself out of a job and stability is pretty much out the window. Becoming a LEO isn't the highest paying option I have, but it's probably the most stable and out of all options, it's the one I want to do. My grandfather was a SD Sherrif's Deputy and eventually went on to become Chief of Police for the Sycuan Indian Reservation and casino. It was always my childhood dream to become a Deputy, but I guess that faded away a bit in high school. Anyway, I've pretty much talked myself out of trying because of my background, but what do you guys think?

Here's a list of the good and bad that I can think of

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- No criminal history.
- No traffic tickets, one or two fix it's and a parking ticket - all taken care of promptly.
- Good grades throughout high school and college. Currently holding a 4.0 and highest GPA in my class.
- Will have a Bachelor's degree at the time of applying, undecided if I want to follow a LEO degree or stick with engineering.

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- Smoked marijuana off and on throughout high school and although I stopped smoking for the most part after that, still took a hit here and there until about 4 years ago. I also sold marijuana for a friend at one point - about 6 small transactions.
- Tried cocaine once, ecstasy once (Same night 4 years ago) and mushrooms once back in high school.
- A lot of my high school friends went on to become drug addicts.. I do not speak to them and haven't in a long time but unsure if this could hurt me.
- I have an uncle who is 5150 and in and out of jail on possession charges.
- Less than perfect credit but I have been actively repairing it for a few years now and I expect the dings to roll off within the next 2 years or so, which is when I would be applying.

So what do you guys think? Background a little "too colorful?

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Fresno Sheriff's Department which is a elite agency in the Central Valley has hired a few deputies that I personally know of that have done cocaine, ecstasy, etc. and selling of the Marijuania by itself will not be a total auto disqualfying factor.

I have been around backgrounds for years, all going to depend on time from the incident to when you apply, if you did all this in high school let's say age 16 to 18 area and now your applying at like age 25 years you have a chance of getting hired.

In order to raise your chances of getting hired your going to need to go to a academy annd apply around as a pre service candiate. Also the higher you finish in the police academy the better your changes of getting hired. The guy who came out #01 in our police academy had some questionable drug use in the past, Fresno Sheriff's Department took him just before his academy expired as he had came out number 01.
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I'm not cocky, but I'm smarter than everyone else. (Kidding) But I'm unsure if that is even important to those that will be hiring. In fact I've heard horror stories that would suggest the opposite. I guess my two big selling points would be that I will have a degree and I would be willing to relocate to pretty much anywhere as long as I could afford to buy a house on a LEO salary.
you are also a former drug dealer.
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I suggested "Army". I do not think he can handle our USMC
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Old 09-26-2013, 8:27 PM
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I am in a similar situation as the OP. except my discrepancies are at least 10 years in the past and I have 4 years active army under my belt. I have recently started applying at a few agencies in the so cal area. a few posts here have described top tier agencies and lower regarded agencies. my question is.
Which agencies are considered second tier in the so cal area?

i just cant think of too many cities that would fall into that category.
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Old 09-27-2013, 9:06 AM
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You wouldn't be hired at my department. Selling, even once, is the instant DQ for any department I've seen.
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Not to hijack the thread but since it has to do with backgrounds and DQ ill put it here. This is my question....

While in high school 10th MAYBE 11th grade everyone at my school was doing ecstasy, me being dumb I wanted to try it. Turns out the guy I got it from sold me some bunk stuff that was not E it was fake. It had no effect on me and I did not feel any different, matter of a fact I took it and after waiting for a while I eventually fell asleep. The pill dodnt have any picture markings like you see on most ecstacy you see today. I confronted the guy about it and said some of the stuff he had got was bad and that he would get me more.

I never looked for him after that and it seemed like afte that he tried to avoid me. My guess is that he gave me fake stuff and tooky money. I was nerdy in HS and was probably the poster child for gettin ripped off.

My question is that on PHS packets it asks if you have ever done certain drugs. I have never actually taken the drug ecstasy the chemical compounds that make up that specific drug were never in my body. I know when it comes to crimes intent is a major factor.

I do not want any department to think that I am being untruthful or hiding anything but I am answering the question I am being asked HAVE I EVER done the drug and it's no. Even though I had the intent should I put it down as a no or should i say yes?Like I said I don't want the department to think I'm hiding something.
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Not to hijack the thread but since it has to do with backgrounds and DQ ill put it here. This is my question....

While in high school 10th MAYBE 11th grade everyone at my school was doing ecstasy, me being dumb I wanted to try it. Turns out the guy I got it from sold me some bunk stuff that was not E it was fake. It had no effect on me and I did not feel any different, matter of a fact I took it and after waiting for a while I eventually fell asleep. The pill dodnt have any picture markings like you see on most ecstacy you see today. I confronted the guy about it and said some of the stuff he had got was bad and that he would get me more.

I never looked for him after that and it seemed like afte that he tried to avoid me. My guess is that he gave me fake stuff and tooky money. I was nerdy in HS and was probably the poster child for gettin ripped off.

My question is that on PHS packets it asks if you have ever done certain drugs. I have never actually taken the drug ecstasy the chemical compounds that make up that specific drug were never in my body. I know when it comes to crimes intent is a major factor.

I do not want any department to think that I am being untruthful or hiding anything but I am answering the question I am being asked HAVE I EVER done the drug and it's no. Even though I had the intent should I put it down as a no or should i say yes?Like I said I don't want the department to think I'm hiding something.
If you choose to omit this this incident from your background investigation, you are being untruthful and you are hiding something. Once that you have shown that you were untruthful (especially concerning drug usage), you will never be hired by any law enforcement agency.

During your background investigation, you will also be asked if you have ever been involved in a criminal/drug transaction. Based upon your statement above, you would need to answer "Yes" if you were to provide a truthful answer.
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Old 10-01-2013, 3:57 PM
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Old 10-01-2013, 5:10 PM
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I know you can't lie to them but if I answer the question that is asked and say no then I am not being untruthful. I have never taken the actual drug. I had the intent too but was given fake stuff that was not the actual drug. I have no problem telling them that I did I was just wondering if it would be a "yes" answer even though I never actually took it.

For all I know I could of been given an Advil or heart burn medicine. I'm trying not to hide anything. Guess ill just out it down as a yes and explain the situation just so it doesn't come up later.
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Old 10-01-2013, 5:40 PM
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20 years ago when I started, any narcotic use disqualified you. However, as times have changed, Depts have had to relax their hiring standards. The problems Depts were having was hiring minorities. Drug use was decreasing the pool of available candidates. Obviously, be honest and upfront. Whats improtant now is how long ago was it that you used. If your still using any drug, forget it.
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Old 10-01-2013, 5:52 PM
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It was when I has 15/16 years old in high school my sophomore of junior year. I am 24 years old 25 next month and I have no other uses since that one time so it's been 7 to 8 years
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Old 10-01-2013, 6:06 PM
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... I have 4 years active army under my belt. I have recently started applying at a few agencies in the so cal area. a few posts here have described top tier agencies and lower regarded agencies. my question is.
Which agencies are considered second tier in the so cal area?

i just cant think of too many cities that would fall into that category.
LCPD = Last Chance Police Department. That is what we refer to as departments that take anyone that was rejected and/or terminated from CHP/LASD/LAPD or another quality department. Two examples, Compton PD and Adelanto PD. Both were taken over by the Sheriffs.

A few I would not mention because I do not want to embrass anybody. But some cities are run like Mayberry RFD, i.e. good ole boy network.
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Old 10-01-2013, 8:00 PM
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its called integrity.... A background check is a lot more thorough than a polygraph or CVSA.. All they have to do is talk to one friend of the OP to admit they knew of drug use.
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Depends on the Department. A buddy of mine couldn't pass psych because he had a panic attack 3 years ago. Mind you he has had three deployments and is okay and not on any medication and never has been.
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LCPD = Last Chance Police Department. That is what we refer to as departments that take anyone that was rejected and/or terminated from CHP/LASD/LAPD or another quality department. Two examples, Compton PD and Adelanto PD. Both were taken over by the Sheriffs.

A few I would not mention because I do not want to embrass anybody. But some cities are run like Mayberry RFD, i.e. good ole boy network.
thanks, I figured nobody would name names. just thought I would ask.
on a side note I called a CHP background investigator and described to him my background. I was told " that is not an automatic disqualification with that timeline "
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I found this on-line.. sums it up pretty well

It's definitely not your father's Los Angeles of 1955," said Eugene O'Donnell, professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. "It's one of those ironies that LAPD, in a city that's pretty hip and sophisticated, is still somewhat trapped in a time capsule."

O'Donnell said that a police department should have police officers with "real-life experience," which can involve marijuana use and even some minor criminal problems, so that the department can better deal with "real-world problems."

Bratton said some of the LAPD's standards regarding drug use and a candidate's financial history may be "artificially high." He is considering reducing the department's zero-tolerance drug requirement so it is in line with federal law enforcement standards. The FBI requires its candidates to have no more than 15 uses of marijuana and not within the three years before the application date. The FBI also requires that other drugs, including steroids, not be used more than five times and not within 10 years of the application date.

"The reality is, kids today ... may in fact have sampled drugs some time in their life," Bratton said this month. "Does that mean we should automatically disqualify them? I don't believe so."

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I know you can't lie to them but if I answer the question that is asked and say no then I am not being untruthful. I have never taken the actual drug. I had the intent too but was given fake stuff that was not the actual drug. I have no problem telling them that I did I was just wondering if it would be a "yes" answer even though I never actually took it.

For all I know I could of been given an Advil or heart burn medicine. I'm trying not to hide anything. Guess ill just out it down as a yes and explain the situation just so it doesn't come up later.
I'll tell you from firsthand experience that if you try to play the semantics game with a background investigator you're going to lose. With that said, as long as you tell the same story you posted here, I think you'll be ok.
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I know you can't lie to them but if I answer the question that is asked and say no then I am not being untruthful. I have never taken the actual drug. I had the intent too but was given fake stuff that was not the actual drug. I have no problem telling them that I did I was just wondering if it would be a "yes" answer even though I never actually took it.

For all I know I could of been given an Advil or heart burn medicine. I'm trying not to hide anything. Guess ill just out it down as a yes and explain the situation just so it doesn't come up later.
It's up to you, of course.. but I think I would answer with a "yes" like you are thinking and qualify the heck out of your answer. Unfortunately, you DON'T know for sure what was in that pill, there COULD have been narcotics of some type or another so I could see a qualified "no" answer being looked at as possibly an attempt at deception or minimizing the issue.
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I took the advice guys and I will let my investigator know and I will out down yes on any further PHS. I would rather have them say they won't hire me and that time then find out I'm lying and dq me for forever.

Plus I can always explain what happened to them.
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Also, if one Dept does not hire you even though you were honest, another may. However, no department will hire you if you failed another Dept's background because of lying.
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Stick with the engineering major no matter what you do for a career. And if you do decide to pursue a career in law enforcement, whatever you do, do not go in with an attitude that you are smart and know more than the average joe. It will more than likely get you and your partner killed.
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Well, thanks for the input guys, guess I'm just not cut out for LE I will say it's kinda crazy when you think about how a single night can put you in the doghouse forever. I guess for most people in that situation, being a LEO isn't even on the radar though. Of all the people I know and work with etc, even the people my fiance works with.. I'm the guy who is "straight and narrow" lol.
No so fast Hoss. I can tell you right now that X and Coke are no longer DQs. I worked with a 50 year old who experimented (Coke) and was hired. I am sending you a PM.
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" Becoming a LEO isn't the highest paying option I have, but it's probably the most stable and out of all options."

Its a calling not a career choice. Sorry but i am tired of all the previous realtors, contractors, salesman, college grads, etc, that now all of the sudden want to be in LE. My .02 cents anyways
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My son just entered the LASD Academy a few weeks ago. He's squeaky clean and 26 BTW. Anyway, I asked him about the b/g check and interview process and he said they grilled the $#!+ out of him about drugs. They could not believe he did not smoke pot, passed the Polygraph (obviously).

I'd say your chances are slim at best with the Coke... add X to the mix and there's more than a fair chance that's the nail in the coffin and they WILL find out if you lie. So, if it's something you are REALLY CALLED to do, go for it. But, BE HONEST, forthright, transparent, and contrite because you never really know for sure until you get in there and you may be a good fit somewhere else in the Department. Who knows.

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