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Old 07-01-2013, 11:03 AM
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Default any "good" schemes for home made body armor?

I realize everyone's first advice will be "No, buy some real BA".

OK, but what about in a SHTF?
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Didn't Michael J Fox use a wood stove door for body armor in one of the back to the future movies?
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Telephone books! Hahaha. I remember a old documentary Deadly Weapons, where he put a few books under his shirt and had his buddy shoot him with a 357 while he was standing on one foot to show it won't knock you over being hit and was fine.
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myth busters did some ceramic type plates and it worked. i believe they got those miniature square tiles with mesh backing and shaped it with insta-crete. try it next time you go to the range, maybe put some melons behind the plates.
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I think tony stark had a good idea going...just dont be held POW...

But on a cereal note...isnt kevlar pretty much a fiber spun and woven tightly? So how about spider silk and somekind of syntechic materials blended together? If you had access to that?
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I realize everyone's first advice will be "No, buy some real BA".

OK, but what about in a SHTF?
I'm not a body armor or SHTF kinda guy, but why not buy the real thing before the SHTF?
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Old 07-01-2013, 3:40 PM
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the question that you should ask is your life worth it to use homemade body armor.
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Here's the problem with the question you posed, most things that are homemade will be very heavy. In SHTF, will you have enough time to make something and test it? If not, is it worth adding the extra weight in something that isn't proven to be effective? Makes me think that you would want to spend time trying to work and test something that is effective...meaning do this before things go to hell. If that's the case, just buy some real BA and call it a day
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Hey Ems9redbeam,
the video you're talking about "deadly weapons"was not really a documentary but Entertainment & information on lots of types of ammunition and firearms.
and I think you're remembering the part where the inventor of "second chance" body armor, puts a few phone books UNDERNEATH the body armor so that he does not get a big black and blue mark on his chest as he tested that stuff quite frequently for potential customers and audience education.
great video with awesome information about what actually stops a bullet car doors, glass etc.
maybe I should start a thread to find someone who has a copy on VHS to put it on YouTube well worth everyone taking a look.
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What do you want to resist?

For example, various bits of Japanese armor are good against impact and edged weapons. See also http://www.sengokudaimyo.com/katchu/katchu.html

Field expedients for ballistic armor do not seem popular in on-line docs.
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I realize everyone's first advice will be "No, buy some real BA".

OK, but what about in a SHTF?
If you haven't already purchased body armor or are going to "wait and see", they its your own damn fault for not already having it.
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I realize everyone's first advice will be "No, buy some real BA".

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Homemade body armor, seriously? If it goes on your “body”, buy the good stuff. If you are trying to armor up your Toyota Tacoma to make it into a technical, that is something completely different. A 1 inch thick piece of COTS (commercial off the shelf) UHMW will stop most (not AP) 556 and 7.62x39 and can easily be purchased from www.mcmaster.com. Putting it on my body? Nah, I’ll take a pass on that. One of the things we have done, just for kicks, is to actually try such things, but you will need to find a freedom range to do it. Just for an example, we tried two half inch think UHMW panels with a piece of 1/16” steal between and a 556 went through like butter, but the one inch panel held up quite well to multiple shoots, go figure, the whole kinetic energy thing is fun to play with. If going “home made” do not believe anyone without testing yourself.
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If my plan requires body armor, I'll look for a new plan.
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If you get a plate carrier and stuff it with compacted aluminum foil that you ran over with your truck, that might work......
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THis dude seemed to have a pretty good set of homegrown armor

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If were talking zombie apocalypse i think a good start would be something like synthetic motorcycle gear. Anything beyond that and Im not doing a DIY without testing it...
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Homemade body armor, seriously? If it goes on your “body”, buy the good stuff. If you are trying to armor up your Toyota Tacoma to make it into a technical, that is something completely different. A 1 inch thick piece of COTS (commercial off the shelf) UHMW will stop most (not AP) 556 and 7.62x39 and can easily be purchased from www.mcmaster.com. Putting it on my body? Nah, I’ll take a pass on that. One of the things we have done, just for kicks, is to actually try such things, but you will need to find a freedom range to do it. Just for an example, we tried two half inch think UHMW panels with a piece of 1/16” steal between and a 556 went through like butter, but the one inch panel held up quite well to multiple shoots, go figure, the whole kinetic energy thing is fun to play with. If going “home made” do not believe anyone without testing yourself.
UHMW is pretty expensive once you get up to 1" thick. At that point, I think I'd just go with some 1/4" AR500 plate.
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The North Hollywood shooters made their own gear, worked pretty well,
just it wasn't meant to withstand a full on attack the way they
did it but it can be done

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They cut up several vests to cover other areas of their bodies. Not exactly homemade armor because they started with known material. It was only effective at stopping pistol rounds fired at distance from pistols. It didn't stop rifle rounds or pistol caliber carbine rounds. Oh and they all died, even with superior firepower and body armor.

The price of quality body armor is dropping nearly everyday. The really expensive stuff is the newer light weight rifle plates. There is also quite a bit of science involved in the materials themselves.

One could invest in the raw materials themselves and store them incase they wanted to build their own in a bad situation or you could invest in known quality body armor now.
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During the Afghan war, the Russian troops were issued a flack vest that was filled with cotton. It gave the troops piece-of-mind, thinking they were wearing something that was protecting them.
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Pieces of steel belted tires, especially the tread and not the sidewalls, from heavy duty multi ply tires could be cut up an made into armor. That could stop handgun rounds.
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Pieces of steel belted tires, especially the tread and not the sidewalls, from heavy duty multi ply tires could be cut up an made into armor. That could stop handgun rounds.
Cheap, easy to find and easy to make into whatever pattern you want to wear. But... Gonna have to start working out to carry that fancy new vest around. Probably weigh 40 pounds or more.
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I think mythbusters proved that 7 pizzas in their boxes worked.
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Pieces of steel belted tires, especially the tread and not the sidewalls, from heavy duty multi ply tires could be cut up an made into armor. That could stop handgun rounds.
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That's actually somewhat misleading. They bought a bunch of kevlar inserts and fashioned them into armor, but they didn't "make their own ballistic panels" or anything like that.

They ordered a large number of ballistic panels, inserts, etc, and fashioned them as they needed them. One of them also bought several complete vests and wrapped them around his legs, while wearing a regular vest. He also used inserts around his arms.
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I realize everyone's first advice will be "No, buy some real BA".

OK, but what about in a SHTF?



Why waste $100 to $200 dollars on parts and spend 20-40 hours on a project [assuming you make $15-$20 dollars per hour, that's a HUGE opportunity cost right there], when you could just save your money and buy a new commercial concealable level IIIA vest for $400 dollars and buy a surplus IIIA tactical vest from some ex-soldier or national guardsmen for $200 dollars at a gun show and then buy front and back rifle plates for $150 dollars each.


If you don't have body armor on day one of the next LA Riot, don't expect to be able to find all the needed materials and fashion the armor in the space of a few hours.


*note*- I have two IIIA tactical vests, one IIA concealable vest, 5 level IV rifle plates, and 3 flak jackets which are around level II or IIA, and I have two ballistic helmets, so I know a few things about body armor. Don't try to make your own out of scrap metal, there's a reason people don't dress up like Renaissance era knights to ride into battle, that stuff is pretty heavy and cumbersome and it doesn't do much to help against modern weaponry. Save your money and buy a quality ballistic vest that weighs 4-6 pounds and can protect you from handgun and shotgun fire. Don't try to fashion 40 pounds of scrap metal into something that is just going to weigh you down.
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3/8" AR500 steel and some cord to tie it around your neck.

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Yeah, I know, you are just picturing that vest of overlapping pieces of steel belted radial goodness, like some kind of junkyard plate mail. But the OP asked about improvised armor. There isn't a whole lot out there.
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The Fist full of Dollars works only because they are using lead projectiles fired from black powder rifles.. It all becomes a moot point if the rifle they are firing at you is something like an AR-15 with even plain jane 55 fmj's. I've seen enough AR-500 pitted and punched full of holes from careless people on the range using steel targets that were not designed for rifle ammo..
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What, nobody wants to duct tape level IV plates inside their clothes like Gecko45? There is a group buy in the deals section for level 4 plates, duct tape is easy to come by...

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