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Old 07-07-2013, 9:46 PM
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What would you recommend to reduce felt recoil in an AR-10? I have a stock M&P 10 and to me this thing kicks like a 12-gauge.

Thanks in advance for the recommendation.
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Old 07-07-2013, 9:50 PM
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Very easy, a good brake can take away a ton. I am a fan of the Battlecomp/Griffin brakes, a lot of people here prefer JP, PWS, or Surefire. I was unimpressed by the PWS.

Add weight to the gun, the MP10 is kind of light for a .308. Also a thicker buttpad will help, look into Kickeez or Limbsaver.

Adjustable gas block may help as well, bleed out any unnecessary gases.
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Properly shouldering and driving the gun can help.
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Old 07-07-2013, 10:16 PM
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I got a magpul stock and The thicker rubber pad for my m&p10 and that seemed to help.

You could probably slip a limb saver over that too

Otherwise you can try a muzzle break but people shooting around you will get pissed off. Heavier buffer spring but it may reduce reliability. I remember seeing a spring loaded or hydronic buffer at one point but don't remember what it's called or if it works in the m&p10
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Proper form will reduce recoil more than any add on you find. Garanteed it


But to help I'd say get a thick hoodie, muzzle brake, recoil pad or fumble with spring and gas systems in that order but dont expect it to be cheap. But AR10s don't kick all that much if your using proper technique.
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Sounds like it is too much gun for you. Go buy a .22
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24" BBL. if your gun is heavy enough, you won't feel a thing


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Fire a mosin just once and you will never complain about .308 recoil again.


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Put a Battlecomp or similar muzzle break on there and it'll take a good bit of the recoil/muzzle rise out.
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Heavy weight barrel and a beefy stock like the magpul prs stock, proper shouldering of the gun, heavy buffer or enidyne recoil reducer, heavy buffer spring, muzzle brake/compensator, etc.
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Battlecomp and good form.
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My 458 Socom kicks like a 12 gauge , 308's not so much...as mentioned a good brake and adding weight to the rifle should fix you right up.

In my 308 lower assy's, I used VLTOR stocks with the storage on the left and right side...even prior to firing they were so light in weight that I added as many 405gr lead 458 bullets that fit in the tube and topped it off with a foam ear plug for zero rattle before closing each side.

It added a lot of weight to the stock, basically changing it from an ultra lightweight...to weighing about identical to a Magpul PRS stock.


This brake http://precisionarmament.com/product/m11-muzzle-brake/ was the most effective brake we tried on our actual 308 uppers





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Surefire brake brought my 308 AR recoil down to that of 223.
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I'd start with a good muzzle brake. If that doesn't tame the recoil enough, go for an adjustable gas block to slow down the reciprocating mass of the Bolt Carrier Group. Given the choice between adding a heavy buffer or going with an adjustble gas block, the adjustable gas block is usually cheaper than the buffer for a 308, and gives you the ability to tune the rifle for optimal cycling.

I had a similar issue with my 16" 308 build. The rifle kicked like the proverbial mule. Felt recoil was about the same as my 300 Win Mag, maybe even more. I went through 3 different muzzle brakes before I determined that the rifle was just waaaay over gassed. The BCG on a 308 weighs considerably more than the 5.56 version, and it was accounting for most of the felt recoil as it slammed into the back of the buffer tube. I added an adjustable gas block from SLR Rifleworks and after a bit of tuning, the recoil is just a bit more than a comprable 5.56 AR.
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There shouldn't be much recoil, but compared to an AR-15 there is a difference for most users. The gun is likely over gassed, I am not sure off hand at the length of gas system on those. I would get a new buffer spring combo from heavybuffers.com , then a gas block. I second the suggestion of a brake as well.

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What would you recommend to reduce felt recoil in an AR-10? I have a stock M&P 10 and to me this thing kicks like a 12-gauge.

Thanks in advance for the recommendation.
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Please do shoot a 30-06 sportster hunting rife, that give you a kick.

I have an M&P-10, put a butt stock with a recoil pad and get a DPMS Miculek brake, they are inexpensive and work well, I use them in 3 gun.
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Old 07-08-2013, 8:27 AM
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Plant it in your shoulder. If it's snug it's not going to hurt no matter how hard it kicks.
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Most of you guys are macho recoil lovers. Me? Not so much. As most have already said, a good muzzle brake will help. You can also change out to an A2 butt stock and put a lead weight in it. It will make the rifle much heavier and slow down the recoil. You'll never get a 308 down to really low recoil levels, if recoil is a problem, you'll want a cartridge in the 260 or 243 range, they are more manageable.
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i feel it sometimes. as i learned from trap, a proper shoulder technique was what i was missing. but i carry my recoil pad with me should i need it on my ar10. (i fixed the shotgun beating problem by buying a softer shooting one. LOL )

a brake is one i want to explore very soon. if i use my recoil pad, it goes push the rifle a little forward and messed up my cheekweld and positioning.

i am fat so i have some fat up there to pad it a bit.
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My daughters shoot my LR308. Just keep that rifle snug into your shoulder and you will be fine.
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Can't be fixed.

You seem like a nice guy though. I'm gonna do you a favor and take it off your hands for 50% off. I'll even pay the transfer fees. Just because I like you
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The Smith has a basic stock on it.No padding ,and a standard flashider.I would first change the muzzle brake and then get slash's buffer.Then try a differant stock.Where are you located.?I will be at Burro Canyon at the Cal Guns shoot this month.You can try one of my .308 AR'S.
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A brake and adjustable gas block, you will have to ride the line between reliability and feeding failures, but it does help. A low mass carrier system helps too, but the cost of that is not worth it IMO. Get a Magpul PRS stock maybe even a UBR, its super heavy that helps the most. i have a 20" heavy barrel, PRS and an adjustable gas block, shoots like an ar15.

The heavier buffer you put in there without slowing things, means more mass is moving at the same speed, which can translate into your shoulder. Slow things down at the gas block, and at the muzzle with a brake and you should be good.
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this will fit on your stock.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Quality...item5d4115830d

If your barrel is threaded. here are some options.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw...e+308&_sacat=0

if you need your barrel theaded contact AR15barrels.com
get your brake first and he can time the brake to the barrel. cleaner look.
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a rear deflecting brake and the shooters friend buttpad
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Put this between your shoulder and the stock

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Many thanks to all who posted helpful suggestions and ideas that were germane to my original post, you have given me considerable food for thought and have my gratitude.
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LMAO.

That's kinda true. Shoot a few rounds on a Mosin, then shoot the .308 and the .308 may feel like a pop-gun.

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The Smith has a basic stock on it.No padding ,and a standard flashider.I would first change the muzzle brake and then get slash's buffer.Then try a differant stock.
This. However, I'd start first with the muzzle brake and then, the stock. I try not to mess around too much with the buffer and buffer spring as this may cause reliability issues.
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LOL. Is this your first long gun maybe one day you should shoot a 50bmg without a muzzle break. Yeah sounds like you might want to try a muzzle break new buffer spring

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Just add a good muzzle brake. It might be enough before you strap 57 pounds to it.
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> kicks like a 12-gauge

Maybe you are referring more to the muzzle kicking up making follow up shots difficult, rather than felt recoil?

I don't think my M&P10 felt anything like a 12 gauge (never bruised my shoulder like my defender 1300 would try to do shooting buckshot), but it did seem to be a handful keeping on-target shot to shot.

As others have recommended, I went with the battle comp brake and it was night and day in terms of helping keep the muzzle on target, for me.
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I have a SJC Titan on one of my 18" 308s and it feels like shooting a 10/22.
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If you can get a hold of Keith Garcia... (WOn 3 gun nation one year) ask him what he has on his AR10.

Looks alot like this one:
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Where I would love to join in on the b*ll busting here.Maybe the op has a legitimate complaint.
A real muzzle brake will help.I don't know if the FN Scar model will fit your gun.The 17 I shoot is a kitty cat compared to a my old AR10 with just a flash suppressor.I use padded cheek risers on my M1As and Garand.
Yea I am not the soldier my dad was.He loves the pad I gave him.At 80 he was not enjoying the Garand like he did at 18 years old.
My face suffered on the AR10 after 100rds or so.I use the KICKEEZ stick on pad on the stock where my cheek welds the AR10.It helps a lot if you are going to dump 200-300 rounds in a session.The FN needs nothing with the brake it uses.The NRA Women on Target loved the FN.They were all new shooters and would have shot it all day if ammo was allowed.
For my RUMs a brake is almost mandatory if you shoot over 50 rds in 1 sitting.1 of them weighs right at 6.5 lbs and it is brutal.I remove the brake when I hunt and use a thread protector.My ears will not stand for the added noise,not even once.Recoil during hunting is not observed,to me anyway.
I have a good laugh when people want to prove recoil they can stand.I have a 378 Weatherby and Ruger 77 338 Win mag that will make a believer of recoil reduction,to anybody.The look on a new shooter of these is priceless.

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I have a torn labrum in my right shoulder (yea future surgery) so my r-25 beats me up pretty good when bench resting. I got a PAST pad to put on when my shoulder is beat up. It really helps. I feel like a putz wearing it but i figure its not as bad as the plate carrier commandos i see benchresting at angeles
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