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Old 05-20-2013, 11:33 AM
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Default fun builds that aren't ARs or AKs?

I had a lot of fun building my ARs, and am itching to build something else. But, I don't need or want any more ARs and don't have much interest building an AK either.

What else is there out there I can build? Keep in mind I'm an apartment dweller, so anything requiring a lathe or mill is out of the question. I do have access to a machine shop, but they are going to get very touchy if it's obvious I'm building a gun. (San Fran )

I looked into building a bolt action from parts, but it looked like (A) a stripped action is usually custom made and $800, and (B) I'd have to ream the chamber of the barrel, which, while doable by me in theory is somewhat above my skill level so I'd want someone else teaching me as I go. It also seems that the main benefit is accurization and not customization like an AR, unless you want to use a wildcat or otherwise rare cartridge. I wouldn't mind having a long range shooter, but my normal distances aren't enough to really justify it.

I also know about people who buy stripped garand receivers and build them up, but I already have a garand and don't need two.

I also see people building 1911s from 80% receivers. That's cool, but I want to focus on rifles for the time being.

At the moment, I've settled on building a straight-pull side charging upper for an AR and just not drilling the gas port on the barrel, making it bolt action. That satisfies my itch for something new and different, but it's not the most sensible weapon.
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A FAL is one option.
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a PPSH is another option
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Old 05-20-2013, 11:40 AM
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an FAL with no machine shop ( or very little access ) ? Man that would be an interesting processes.

Ar's are more like putting together legos then "building". An AK is going to still require a decent amount of tools. I was thinking about sumoi, but all the conversion parts end up stacking up really quick, along with the machine time to build the receiver.
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how about a 10/22? 80% receivers are made for them
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Old 05-20-2013, 12:21 PM
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What fires 308?
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A 1911??? You can get all sorts of crazy having to machine-fit parts and stuff.

A 10/22 would be cool, but I think they are basically the same as AR's.
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how about a 10/22? 80% receivers are made for them
It is very expensive, and hard to find all the other components needed to build a complete 10/22. Ruger does not sell very many of the OEM parts.


Keep in mind I said "hard to find", not impossible.
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An Uzi is definitely on my list to build. Rifle or pistol, haven't decided. Leaning towards a rifle with a fixed wooden stock though.
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It is very expensive, and hard to find all the other components needed to build a complete 10/22. Ruger does not sell very many of the OEM parts.


Keep in mind I said "hard to find", not impossible.
I'm in the middle of a 10/22 build. I found that the parts are extremely easy to find. A huge number of people upgrade them and sell off the stock parts. You can also get aftermarket versions of almost every single part. Right now the worst thing to find is mags!

Expensive? Well, yes.....
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Go to Barnes and Noble or big other newstand and get a copy of Shotgun News. The back is full of ads for kits to build all kinds of guns.
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I'm in the middle of a 10/22 build. I found that the parts are extremely easy to find. A huge number of people upgrade them and sell off the stock parts. You can also get aftermarket versions of almost every single part. Right now the worst thing to find is mags!

Expensive? Well, yes.....
Yea if you don't mind trigger packs that cost all much as a stock gun
The Bolt is always been the part I have a hard time justifying a ton of money on a Kidd when there just doesnt seem much benefit.
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Soumi would require access to a welder (TNW kit)
Uzi would also unless DROsing a NoDak spud 100% receiver then it a lot like an AR.....Legos
An AK really isn't for an apartment dweller (tools, spot welder, press for rivets, and tooling)
1911 from a non- receiver (60-80%) still requires a mill to complete.
Not sure if I have an answer to your question OP.
Pretty much anything without a 100% receiver requires some tooling and a space to work on it to complete.
Have you thought about different calibers for another AR build?
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Savage or Remington action. Pre-threaded & chambered/crowned barrel. Appropriate stock or chassis of your choice, trigger, base, rings, etc. No machine work for the Savage, may have to inlet the stock a bit if using a barrel nut on a Remington action. Assembly by you.

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Yea if you don't mind trigger packs that cost all much as a stock gun
The Bolt is always been the part I have a hard time justifying a ton of money on a Kidd when there just doesnt seem much benefit.
I got a Volq upgraded OEM trigger from a member here that had upgraded to Kidd ... very reasonably, too. OEM bolts are on fleabay all the time.
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10/22 charger pistol from an 80% receiver with a BB and SSE.

Well, that's what I want to build at some point. Just not sure when I will get round to it.
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Sten gun FTW! I've got a parts kit laying around, but absolutely no tools or know-how to do it!
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Sten gun FTW! I've got a parts kit laying around, but absolutely no tools or know-how to do it!
I'd love to do a wire stocked sten.

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We have a winner! An MG42 build would be epic, it's on that long list of things I would love to do. I don't care how costly, difficult, or time-consuming, it would be completely worth it to end up with a functioning MG42.
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a PPSH is another option
Do you know anything about that build? You have to convert an open bolt sub machine gun to a semi auto closed bolt, do you have any idea what that entails?
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It is very expensive, and hard to find all the other components needed to build a complete 10/22. Ruger does not sell very many of the OEM parts.


Keep in mind I said "hard to find", not impossible.
Every single oem part was on midwayusa. That's how i finished my 10/22 80%. I did it with a drill press in my garage when i was 17.

http://www.midwayusa.com/find?sortby...mensionid=3236
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I'm in the process of building an AR pistol. That could be another option
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or any subgun and do a "real" build, more enjoyment and a real hobby over assembling some parts ...... join weaponsguild and start lurking ....
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Go check out APEX gun parts and E-Sarco. They got a whole list of stuff you can try and build from. I don't normally care much for an UZI, but... I think it might be a better project than me trying to do a Suomi... hmmmm...
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I would love to build a M1919 in .308

It's the only build on my "wishlist"
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Easiest probably would be the Savage 10 models or Remington 700 as there are a bunch of parts available everywhere for them. Savage is easier to install barrels with slightly less stock options compared to the Remington.

If you have the money for it, Remington 700 with AICS stock, a McMillin barrel, rifle basix trigger, solid scope, and chamber that thing in .308 or 7mm x 08 if you reload and want longer range. With those rounds, you'll be able to kill anything that breaths on land in North America.
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Every single oem part was on midwayusa. That's how i finished my 10/22 80%. I did it with a drill press in my garage when i was 17.

http://www.midwayusa.com/find?sortby...mensionid=3236
Can't believe I never saw that. I was looking for an OEM bolt and trigger housing for a while.
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an FAL with no machine shop ( or very little access ) ? Man that would be an interesting processes.

Ar's are more like putting together legos then "building". An AK is going to still require a decent amount of tools. I was thinking about sumoi, but all the conversion parts end up stacking up really quick, along with the machine time to build the receiver.
What needs to be machined on the FAL if you purchased a kit and a receiver? Special tools and a vice would be needed but I don't think you would need a machine shop.

The OP only ruled out a 80% 1911 due to wanting a long gun.
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What needs to be machined on the FAL if you purchased a kit and a receiver? Special tools and a vice would be needed but I don't think you would need a machine shop.

The OP only ruled out a 80% 1911 due to wanting a long gun.
This is just me, but I don't consider putting something together from a completed receiver a "build", sorta like how most people don't "build" an AR. For an AK/FAL, granted its still a lot more complex then slapping together an AR, its just a matter of separation of terms (for me).



Either way around, you are going to need a helluva lot more tools then you will find in the average apartment dwellers/garage tool chest. A more appropriate word choice would have been "Metal fabrication shop" then machine shop.
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FAL has been my favorite thus far. Sten, 1911, uzi and PSSH are also doable.
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thanks guys--I've been reading all the posts. I'm glad there wasn't an obvious missing category out there.

Seems like so many like to build (or assemble) ARs because its fun and you get exactly what you want. I'm surprised there isn't a similar design for bolt actions and shotguns too.
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