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Old 05-03-2013, 9:09 AM
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Default Open Carry March on Washington Public being organized · July 4th 2013 9AM

On the morning of July 4, 2013, Independence Day, we will muster at the National Cemetery & at noon we will step off to march across the Memorial Bridge, down Independence Avenue, around the Capitol, the Supreme Court, & the White House, then peacefully return to Virginia across the Memorial Bridge.


This is an act of civil disobedience, not a permitted event. We will march with rifles loaded & slung across our backs to put the government on notice that we will not be intimidated & cower in submission to tyranny. We are marching to mark the high water mark of government & to turn the tide. This will be a non-violent event, unless the government chooses to make it violent.

Should we meet physical resistance, we will peacefully turn back, having shown that free people are not welcome in Washington, & returning with the resolve that the politicians, bureaucrats, & enforcers of the federal government will not be welcome in the land of the free.

You are welcome to attend unarmed as a supporter, or armed with a recording device.

If this page gets to 10,000 attendees by June 1st, & we have the critical mass necessary to pull this off, (1,000 actual attendees) we will march. Please spread the word, share this event, & invite all your friends.



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Wow... Loaded open carry in DC.... Just asking to get shot at.
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Actually I'm wondering why this should not be organised as a march on all state capitals for the 4th. Locked and loaded, no comment.
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Actually I'm wondering why this should not be organised as a march on all state capitals for the 4th. Locked and loaded, no comment.
The key is getting more people than they have capacity for in the local slammer....
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This thread is going to get pulled as you are inciting folks to commit criminal acts.

I would also speculate that Very Bad Things will happen if this is actually attempted.
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as much as I wish this would happen, i doubt they are going to get 1,000 people to do so.... you get 1,000 people...and immediately.... we are gonna see politicians starring at the white elephant.
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This^

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The key is getting more people than they have capacity for in the local slammer....
And this^

I would add, were I to spearhead such an activity, I would recommend that participants not go solo, but only in numbers of three or more. No one should have anything other than holstered pistols or handguns. No AR's, no AK's, no shotguns. I would further recommend that participants not muster in the same location, but in multiple locations simultaneously.

On the flip side, an event like this is precisely what the anti-gunners would like to exploit either by accident or by design. Any negligent discharge? The news would cover how bad guns are for the community. Anyone injured or killed? The news and politicians would use that to justify more restrictions. And all it would take is one person with an AR platform rifle to render any progress we can make void.
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Why not just march without guns but with posters in hand?
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Civil disobediance works much better. Besides, we've tried posters and some are already advocating all out conflict. Civil disobediance is a good compromise between the two, and a logical next step.
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Yes, this type of protest worked so well in CA where it was once legal to open carry, and it expanded our gun rights and respect for the 2nd A.

Where do these stupid people come from?
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The Open Carry movement in California was not civil disobediance. It was completely legal.
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Sometime in the 90's the Gov of Florida was going to pass assault rifle legislation and a million Florida citizens marched on the state capitol, and the Gov backed down.

People do have power if they can organize.
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Why not just march without guns but with posters in hand?
Or just an empty 30 round magazine... You could get more people to march.. enough to hit the 'too many to arrest' mark.

Or just a tracer round (since they're not worth as much and you can throw em away before going home).
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This thread is going to get pulled as you are inciting folks to commit criminal acts.

I would also speculate that Very Bad Things will happen if this is actually attempted.
I respectfully disagree. This thread is inciting people to challenge criminal acts and the idea has my full support. It's time the machine actuating cultural change in our country gets a look at the working end of an M-14. Things are only as bad as they are because this wasn't done along side the black panthers in the 1960's. Now our generation gets to throw out the garbage left behind.
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Does ANYONE, the OP or anyone else, know all the DC laws that participants in this "event" would be breaking? I think it would be a rather long list.

The last group that attempted open carry as civil disobedience like this was the Black Panthers. It didn't go well.
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Or just an empty 30 round magazine...
^^ This. David Gregory has already established a precedent. Make sure your cameras are rolling so you can claim that you are practicing journalists.

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The last group that attempted open carry as civil disobedience like this was the Black Panthers. It didn't go well.
That's because the rest of the state gave up their rights to make sure the Panthers didn't have any either.
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Action:

1. The People end gun control
2. The People end welfare
3. The People close the borders, like for real.

Result:

1. People now off Welfare need jobs
2. Border Patrol hiring en mass
3. Now we need a ton of field hands. Those that didn't put in for Border Patrol wish they would have.

Next issue?
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That's because the rest of the state gave up their rights to make sure the Panthers didn't have any either.
Exactly! This idea is counter-productive beyond words. Fortunately someone will spell-out the likely prison time and it won't get past this tough-talk stage. The antis are salivating at the prospect of something like this happening. It's like another mass-shooting for them, except without the guilt.
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I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing.

For those that are saying it's a bad idea. What else are people supposed to do?

Nothing else has worked. The government doesn't believe the people have the balls or the heart to stand up.

This really needs to be a million gun march, but too many will just type on the net how bad of an idea it is.
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Exactly! This idea is counter-productive beyond words. Fortunately someone will spell-out the likely prison time and it won't get past this tough-talk stage. The antis are salivating at the prospect of something like this happening. It's like another mass-shooting for them, except without the guilt.
The anti's are salivating at the thought of the final disarmament. The Supreme Court is one seat away from that happening. After the anti's get their way, even they will quickly realize what a mistake they made...
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For those that are saying it's a bad idea. What else are people supposed to do?
Accept the political victory of S. 649's defeat? If things are so bad for gun rights, then why were Obama and Feinstein so upset?

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This really needs to be a million gun march, but too many will just type on the net how bad of an idea it is.
Think about it. What would the likely state, local and federal response be to such a "million gun march"? What would happen if it developed along the lines of Kent State? Would the marchers just take the fire and croak like the student protesters? Are you looking for martyrs? Yes, it's a bad idea and I'd have no problem whatsoever telling that to your face. At the national level anyway, the boring political process is working just fine, thank you.
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Well that seems like a great IDEA. BUT it will be a nightmare trying to fly to DC with arms. I guess it could be done.
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This sounds like something the anti's would set up to try and get pro 2a supporters to fall into their trap of horrible PR, arrest and possible shootings.

Really sounds like a trap.

Sounds really really stupid.

Im all for a true RALLY that is also backed by the large gun groups to obtain whatever media presence we could get and it wouldn't be cheap or easy for me to get there and back but if it was a legit rally obeying the laws I would make do what it takes to get there.
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This sounds like something the anti's would set up to try and get pro 2a supporters to fall into their trap of horrible PR, arrest and possible shootings.

Really sounds like a trap.

Sounds really really stupid.

Im all for a true RALLY that is also backed by the large gun groups to obtain whatever media presence we could get and it wouldn't be cheap or easy for me to get there and back but if it was a legit rally obeying the laws I would make do what it takes to get there.
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It's such a fine line between clever and stupid - David St. Hubbins
priceless quote from the guy who's namesake is the patron saint of quality footwear

but in all seriousness...this whole plan fails cost-benefit analysis dismally.
not a good idea.
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The anti's are salivating at the thought of the final disarmament. The Supreme Court is one seat away from that happening. After the anti's get their way, even they will quickly realize what a mistake they made...
The entire Supreme Court could pass on and the Constitution could taken out of its bulletproof climate controlled box and incinerated and it would have zero effect on my right to own and bear arms. No division of government and no words written on parchment give me the right of self-determination, the right to exist and defend my existence with common arms.

If you think your rights emanate from anything material and external, you are cattle ready for milking, waiting to be housed, fed, and slaughtered at the discretion of those you owe your existence to.
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The entire Supreme Court could pass on and the Constitution could taken out of its bulletproof climate controlled box and incinerated and it would have zero effect on my right to own and bear arms. No division of government and no words written on parchment give me the right of self-determination, the right to exist and defend my existence with common arms.

If you think your rights emanate from anything material and external, you are cattle ready for milking, waiting to be housed, fed, and slaughtered at the discretion of those you owe your existence to.
I get what you are saying... But are we not all cattle at this point? Would you walk to 7/11 right now with a loaded rifle slung?
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I get what you are saying... But are we not all cattle at this point? Would you walk to 7/11 right now with a loaded rifle slung?
No. Typically loaded handgun. 7/11, banks, gas station, grocery store... whereever.
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Keep up the fight op. To bad we live in a state with a bunch of cowards. If some one wants to pay for my ticket to DC, im in.
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What a depressing idea.

Here is the practical dilemma. The media hates us. They will not favorably cover any march on DC that has pro-2A significance. I'd imagine any protest would be cracked down with the fierceness the Soviets did in Hungary. Totalitarian interests do not like being mocked in their front yard, and to compound the matter the mainstream media will blackball any news which doesn't uphold the pro-government narrative.

An armed , peaceful pro 2A march of millions on DC would become "An armed mob of militant right wing Phillistines were arrested in the Nations' Capitol tonight." Guess which version will gain traction across the country? Anyone who tries to tell the truth via official media would be discredited as a nutcase.
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If you won't stand up now, what makes you think anyone will stand up later ?

Cowards the lot of you. People died so you can be where you are today, and you won't give your children the same ?


Let's all just wait legislation out, become FELONS anyways without atleast trying to do something. Ya that plan sounds a whole heck of a lot better.
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If orchestrated correctly, you could beat them at their own game.
Plan the armed march and advertise it as such, so everyone knows it, but secretly inform everyone NOT to carry a firearm, but a copy of the U.S. Constitution in a concealed holster.
Then identify yourselves by ALL wearing the same clothing like sport coats with ties. It will work better if there is a bulge visible, or carry a sign that says "I'm Carrying Concealed!". (which is true, the Constitution, but everyone will assume it means a weapon)
Then conduct your march. Everyone thinks your armed especially LE, and when they detain and frisk, they wont find one weapon, but be reminded of the 4th amendment violations ofeach person frisked, and they will search everyone.
The media will cover it, a huge political win, paranoid anti gunners violate civil rights of 1st amendment protesters all caught on film.
This huge police state presence with full tactical gear and DHS armored vehicles all to deal with unarmed peacable citizens assembled to redress grievances.
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Cowards the lot of you.
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There is no police force on earth that can "arrest" a million people. They would call out the army and the army would kill protesters, protesters will fire back and the war will be on.

But you know, freedom is less important than comfort and things are pretty good in this country.

It would end badly but then again, so will this country. Most of the people on this forum are just hoping to live in comfort long enough that they die of old age before it gets bad. As have countless generations of humanity before.

If you can muster a million people it would work, regardless of the outcome. They would have deploy a large % of the armed forces just to counter that many armed people. 100,000 might be enough, but less than 40,000 probably not worth it. The last time an army marshaled to march on DC, they politicians got off their butts.

They would probably just drone strike you all.
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There is no police force on earth that can "arrest" a million people. They would call out the army and the army would kill protesters, protesters will fire back and the war will be on.

But you know, freedom is less important than comfort and things are pretty good in this country.

It would end badly but then again, so will this country. Most of the people on this forum are just hoping to live in comfort long enough that they die of old age before it gets bad. As have countless generations of humanity before.

If you can muster a million people it would work, regardless of the outcome. They would have deploy a large % of the armed forces just to counter that many armed people. 100,000 might be enough, but less than 40,000 probably not worth it. The last time an army marshaled to march on DC, they politicians got off their butts.

They would probably just drone strike you all.
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If orchestrated correctly, you could beat them at their own game.
Plan the armed march and advertise it as such, so everyone knows it, but secretly inform everyone NOT to carry a firearm, but a copy of the U.S. Constitution in a concealed holster.
Then identify yourselves by ALL wearing the same clothing like sport coats with ties. It will work better if there is a bulge visible, or carry a sign that says "I'm Carrying Concealed!". (which is true, the Constitution, but everyone will assume it means a weapon)
Then conduct your march. Everyone thinks your armed especially LE, and when they detain and frisk, they wont find one weapon, but be reminded of the 4th amendment violations ofeach person frisked, and they will search everyone.
The media will cover it, a huge political win, paranoid anti gunners violate civil rights of 1st amendment protesters all caught on film.
This huge police state presence with full tactical gear and DHS armored vehicles all to deal with unarmed peacable citizens assembled to redress grievances.
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Adam Kokesh is the organizer. I've been following his work since 2007/2008. He's a cool dude. He's a anarcho-capitalist and runs a show on youtube called "Adam Vs The Man" Some of you might recognize him from his dancing at the Jefferson memorial protest. It's most likely a publicity stunt. He knows it will get him more media attention and the D.C police will stop him and the protesters at the bridge and not allow them into D.C. It will get him more followers and TONS of media attention.

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