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Old 04-23-2013, 1:39 AM
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Default Finally got to shoot an AR this evening...now one question

Smith & Wesson M&P15, got to shoot it tonight at Field Time in Stanton, for free too eotech biohazard scope mounted

I loved shooting the rifle, it was awesome...put 200 rounds through it with my son...his first time too, but, it left me with just one question ?????

WHAT IS THE BIG FREAKIN DEAL? Other than the cosmetics of the gun, and, the fact that it uses a magazine, and, fires in a semi-automatic fashion, I had a very tough time thinking of this gun as some type of killing machine

I'm not saying I was disappointed, I had a fabulous time shooting it, but, for the life of me, how has this type of firearm become so scrutinized? In all fairness, all the tragedy that has went down with Aurora, Newtown etc...all of this was close range quarters...I could have done just as much damage with my handgun and a sufficient magazine...ok, if someone was picking people off at 100 yards I could see the connection, my handgun would be challenged to equal that, but, that hasn't been the case...inside classrooms, inside a movie theater, corridors, it could have be accomplished with any semi-automatic firearm in common use today

I really feel for all you AR owners now, it has to be gut wrenching the way these firearms are being portrayed...unreal
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I think one of the main reasons is the it looks like the m-16/m-4 military version. Additionally, if they can ban, arguably the most popular rifle in America, then it makes it easier to go after the others.
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Old 04-23-2013, 7:23 AM
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It's basically a really efficient platform.

Close or long range (400 yards or so), high round capacity with standard mags, fast reloading, light weight, lots of accessories to customize, reliable generally, etc.

that is why it is good

like stated above, it's "SCARY LOOKING". and that's why they want it banned

easier to politik against a scary black inanimate object than to deal with real complex issues
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Old 04-23-2013, 7:43 AM
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The big deal is that this platform is the most popular rifle platform in America. There are millions of them out there. And when you are trying to set up a dictatorship like Obama is doing, you definitley don't want the freedom loving people of the U.S. armed with these.
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:01 AM
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You may not recall how people went crazy over the yellow Ryder rental trucks after the Oklahoma City bombing. It was so bad that Ryder changed their logo and painted all their trucks white.

Same thing with AR's, only worse
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:23 AM
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Because when you have something that's really fun but a little outside the mainstream, guns, dirt bikes, drugs, certain types of sex, etc, you're going to have a vocal faction out trying to demonize it. Then the state will want to step in and "regulate" it so they can scam a little more money out of us.
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Blame hollywood and their choice of killing machines.
On the same note, they portray gun suicides more than any other method. Wrist slashing is out of fashion these days.
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Because Elmer Fudd didn't carry an AR.
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Pretty much the same reason that california banned Pit Bulls
Because in the hands of a criminal its capable of harming a lot of people quick
That and they need some place to start.
At the end of the day they want to confisacte ALL Civilian rifles and convert all us U.S. CITIZENS into U.S.SUBJECT's and the AR's and AK's are as good a place to start as any
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There's nothing scary about an ar15 or any other gun unless your a liberal idiot with an agenda and no firearm experience.
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Well said, it is just a 223 caliber semiautomatic rifle. The shell allows it to be a lightweight, multi-roled platform. It isn't any more deadly or inherently more dangerous than a Remington 700 in .223.
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OP - Cause they 'look evil' and the uneducated think AR stands for Assault Rifle when it's Armalite Rifle. Now you know why us AR owners are frustrated and think the same way.

Oh yea welcome to the dark side. Embrace it and watch out cause they tend to multiply.

And oldie but a goodie.. been posted here berfore...
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If an angry mob was coming after you and you had your choice of any (legal) firearm, what would you choose? AR, AK or any semi auto capable of high capacity of course. They are simply more efficient than any other choice and what makes them great defensive weapons also makes them great offensive weapons. I'm against any kind of firearm ban but I at least acknowledge there is a difference.
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Pretty much the same reason that california banned Pit Bulls
Because in the hands of a criminal its capable of harming a lot of people quick
That and they need some place to start.
At the end of the day they want to confisacte ALL Civilian rifles and convert all us U.S. CITIZENS into U.S.SUBJECT's and the AR's and AK's are as good a place to start as any
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Since when have pit bulls been banned in california?sorry to redirect...
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My "Anti Gun" family members think they're the most absolute evil gun you can buy. They think it's fully automatic machine gun and just a murdering tool and there's no other reason you would want own it. "Why would you need that to go hunting?" ummmmm so clueless
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Because its an irrational argument that they look evil. They share a resemblance to the military auto version. However, we know they don't function the same.
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My "Anti Gun" family members think they're the most absolute evil gun you can buy. They think it's fully automatic machine gun and just a murdering tool and there's no other reason you would want own it. "Why would you need that to go hunting?" ummmmm so clueless
Yup... All non shooters have an opinion on our rights based on looks, media and fear.. But no clue on anything!!

Just like abortion. You don't have any female reproductive organs? Then shut up. Let the gals fight it out.. (sorry going on a tangent here but you get the idea)..


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Since when have pit bulls been banned in california?sorry to redirect...

I may have gotten the State wrong but pretty sure it was kali may have just been a certian county in kali
Just a peice I saw on that tv show "Pit Boss" with little guy named Shorty that does pit rescues
Show annoys me but saw part of it where they were going to some place in kali to try to oveturn the ban on pits, I guess if a Pit gets caught there they unithinize it (aka Murder a Dog!)
Any more than that I can't say so can't redirect far
I appologize for using a reference I don't know the full details of. Don't normally do that but if your really interested look up Pit Boss from the tv show I'm sure he would love to put a ten page letter on this board about it
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My "Anti Gun" family members think they're the most absolute evil gun you can buy. They think it's fully automatic machine gun and just a murdering tool and there's no other reason you would want own it. "Why would you need that to go hunting?" ummmmm so clueless
I have to agree with "ONEGTALON's" quote about them ultiplying

And your family members would have me down as a mass murder
I bought my first AR back in 89 (Bushmaster 14.5AK Shorty) bought it on a whim
My father was in Nam when they first came out and he hates em for his own reasons
But that one Bushy musta been pregnant when I got it cause next thing ya know I have 13 of em in the door of the safe plus a Armalite 50th Anniversry AR10 and 2 DPMS LR308 & LR260
Got em in ranges from 3 223's 5.45x39, 7.62x39, 50 Beowulf, 6.5 Grendal. 6.8 SPC, 300 Whisper, 9mm, 25WSSM and even one I dont count as a AR but a 50BMG (Ferret 50) sitting on a Bushy lower
And we don't even wanna start on AK's & Fal's!
I just like to build things!
Starting on HK's now, once I get my 3 Cetme's and 1 G3 done I'll be off to something else I suppose!
Gotta do something to occupy my time afterall! :-)
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If an angry mob was coming after you and you had your choice of any (legal) firearm, what would you choose? AR, AK or any semi auto capable of high capacity of course. They are simply more efficient than any other choice and what makes them great defensive weapons also makes them great offensive weapons. I'm against any kind of firearm ban but I at least acknowledge there is a difference.
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I may have gotten the State wrong but pretty sure it was kali may have just been a certian county in kali
Just a peice I saw on that tv show "Pit Boss" with little guy named Shorty that does pit rescues
Show annoys me but saw part of it where they were going to some place in kali to try to oveturn the ban on pits, I guess if a Pit gets caught there they unithinize it (aka Murder a Dog!)
Any more than that I can't say so can't redirect far
I appologize for using a reference I don't know the full details of. Don't normally do that but if your really interested look up Pit Boss from the tv show I'm sure he would love to put a ten page letter on this board about it
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I saw the same episode and it was Florida that banned them. Not a big fan of that show but my kid watches.
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Smith & Wesson M&P15, got to shoot it tonight at Field Time in Stanton, for free too eotech biohazard scope mounted

I loved shooting the rifle, it was awesome...put 200 rounds through it with my son...his first time too, but, it left me with just one question ?????
To quote an anti gunner

"I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE ALL THOSE MACHINE GUNS! THEY'RE ONLY FOR KILLING! YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY TO SHOOT ANY OTHER GUNS!!!!! I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR STATISTICS! IF YOU WERE A WOMAN AND COULD CREATE LIFE YOU'D SEE THINGS MY WAY!"

At least AR15s don't have a shoulder thing which goes up. That'd make them much scarier and a step closer to being banned.

Hmm. Would be interesting to see how having an anti-gunner shoot an M1 Garand followed by an AR15 and see how the power compares; sometimes exposure to reality helps dispell the myths.

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To quote an anti gunner

"I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE ALL THOSE MACHINE GUNS! THEY'RE ONLY FOR KILLING! YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY TO SHOOT ANY OTHER GUNS!!!!! I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR STATISTICS! IF YOU WERE A WOMAN AND COULD CREATE LIFE YOU'D SEE THINGS MY WAY!"

At least AR15s don't have a shoulder thing which goes up. That'd make them much scarier and a step closer to being banned.

Hmm. Would be interesting to see how having an anti-gunner shoot an M1 Garand followed by an AR15 and see how the power compares; sometimes exposure to reality helps dispell the myths.
I don't think it would work honestly. A dedicated anti-gunner would fire them both, and would then say that the Garand is more powerful, an ex-military firearm and thus should be banned. The AR-15 would then continue to be demonized for its scary looks, or whatever falsehoods are the lie de jour of the anti crowd.
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Ar's are evil.




Because once you get one, you'll want some more.
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A little education goes a long way........But, that would mean that an anti might learn something, then have to change their agenda.
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Because once you get one, you'll want some more go broke feeding it.

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Smith & Wesson M&P15, got to shoot it tonight at Field Time in Stanton, for free too eotech biohazard scope mounted

I loved shooting the rifle, it was awesome...put 200 rounds through it with my son...his first time too, but, it left me with just one question ?????

WHAT IS THE BIG FREAKIN DEAL? Other than the cosmetics of the gun, and, the fact that it uses a magazine, and, fires in a semi-automatic fashion, I had a very tough time thinking of this gun as some type of killing machine

I'm not saying I was disappointed, I had a fabulous time shooting it, but, for the life of me, how has this type of firearm become so scrutinized? In all fairness, all the tragedy that has went down with Aurora, Newtown etc...all of this was close range quarters...I could have done just as much damage with my handgun and a sufficient magazine...ok, if someone was picking people off at 100 yards I could see the connection, my handgun would be challenged to equal that, but, that hasn't been the case...inside classrooms, inside a movie theater, corridors, it could have be accomplished with any semi-automatic firearm in common use today

I really feel for all you AR owners now, it has to be gut wrenching the way these firearms are being portrayed...unreal
It is a very good and very effective weapon. It has a relatively flat trajectory for 3-400 yards so you can hold center mass for a human sized target. For a military rifle they are quite accurate. They fire a light bullet at relatively high velocities. The military loads tend to be marginally stable in flight so they tumble and cause maximum damage. They are relatively simple to assemble and disassemble so they can be easily customized to the users taste. Standard capacity magazines are 30 rounds, so you can put a lot of lead downrange in a short period of time. Recoil is minimal so even relative novices can learn to shoot with a minimum of instruction. I understand they can be converted to full auto with a minimum of effort although I cannot for the life of me understand why that is much of an advantage. I had a full auto M-16 in the army and unless you are doing spray and pray, they are much more effective in short bursts or semi-auto. Ammunition is relatively cheap. Do they merit the demonizing they get. Heck no. Do I own one. You bet.
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