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Old 04-21-2013, 5:25 PM
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Default .30-06 reloading question re time to see returns

So through the CMP I'm acquiring an M1 Garand, cannot wait!

I'll probably be only shooting maybe 150-250 rounds a year through it, so no heavy usage.

Considering that, and perhaps another 500-750 of .45 ACP, I'm wondering, with a fairly simple kit, about how many rounds would I need to reload before I'd start seeing savings vs. buying?

Let's assume ammo prices do come down, and stay maybe 15-20% higher than the lows, but not at the crazy levels seen today.

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Old 04-21-2013, 6:19 PM
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So through the CMP I'm acquiring an M1 Garand, cannot wait!

I'll probably be only shooting maybe 150-250 rounds a year through it, so no heavy usage.

Considering that, and perhaps another 500-750 of .45 ACP, I'm wondering, with a fairly simple kit, about how many rounds would I need to reload before I'd start seeing savings vs. buying?

Let's assume ammo prices do come down, and stay maybe 15-20% higher than the lows, but not at the crazy levels seen today.

Thanks!
Too many variables to give you a realistic answer. You can certainly get a single stage kit that will serve your needs for under $200, this includes dies, calipers, powder measure, etc. I would guess with the levels you plan, it would be paid within a year, depending again on what you are comparing it to, mil-surp 30-06, FGMM, etc. Pretty wide range there. You will save quite a bit on 45 Auto as well, not as much as the -06 or more exotic hangun calibers, but even at 750/year meaningful amounts.

Having said all that and even with your modest plans. I would steer you to an RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme kit. You are looking at more like $450 when you get the dies you need and a few other odd bits. But in the end, you will have quality gear that will last many lifetimes of reloading.

Here is what I would recommend starting with: http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/...roductId/23868

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Old 04-21-2013, 6:51 PM
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Many thanks Bill - even if it's 1.5 - 2 years to see ROI, I'm still comfortable.
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Old 04-21-2013, 8:00 PM
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as Bill said the RCBS is the way to go i bought mine in the early 80's and never have a issue with it, the dies also, rcbs has sent me new replacement parts for them at no coastto me, you can tailor your loads for the M1 Garand and save money as the 45 you will save alot if you shop for your Component , i save quite a bit on the .45 and my rifle loads.
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Old 04-21-2013, 8:09 PM
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Do not do it. it becomes an addiction, you will shoot more so you can reload them. All kidding aside it is a great hobby all by itself, good luck.
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Old 04-21-2013, 8:15 PM
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I don't think it is possible to save money by reloading. As Jim mentioned, you only end up shooting more, which forces you to buy more components so you can shoot even more. It's an addiction!
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Old 04-21-2013, 8:34 PM
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I have to agree with everyone else. Once you starting shooting that M1 Garand you will not want to stop.
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LEE Classic Turret press kit then a digital scale. The LEE scale works fine, it is just so sensitive that you think it is faulty.
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Old 04-22-2013, 11:11 AM
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If you're not going to shoot all that much, just go ahead and buy your max annual limit of Greek from CMP (which is around 2k). That will probably last you a year of very occasional use, and then get you some brass to load and time to accumulate large rifle primers, 155 FMJ projectiles and some 4895 or 4064 powder (presumably) for reloading them.
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Old 04-22-2013, 2:07 PM
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I gave up tracking the ROI 30 years ago. I was kidding myself. I was not saving money because I was shooting more and more. When I was not shooting more I was loading more. It was a viscous cycle. Between the extra shooting and equipment upgrades I know I have spent a ton of money on reloading. Now I measure the value of reloading on how much fun I have shooting what I reload. Also, in times of shortages my buying habits of the past have allowed me to shoot UN-hindered by those shortages today (thank goodness).

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Old 04-22-2013, 2:52 PM
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My buddy recently got a 30-06 and he had the same question. I taught him to reload on my presses and he is now trying to gather all his own equipment.
It's true that you may save no money because you will be shooting more but let's assume all stays even. You should have all your equipment "paid for" within the first year. Not to mention that if you buy a quality press you can usually sell it for close to what you are in it for. Not to mention a good press can be passed down to your children. I definitely recommend taking the plunge. Not only is it a fun hobby but I've found that it makes your range time that much more enjoyable as you have a better understanding of what you're shooting and how you can adjust.
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Step 1 - buy some HXP ammo from CMP 200 rounds is only $110 delivered.
Step 2 - Repeat step 1
I doubt you can reload 30-06 for the current price of the Greek ammo - at least not if you add in the initial cost of equipment.
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It's more than cost savings. Surplus ammo won't be available forever. M1's need ammo loaded for M1's. op rod issues and powder are a problem. You get more accurate loads. That's a plus

Besides you can always stock up on powder and what not whenever you see it. Sadly though the last several months have been crazy and made it tough to start. And more expensive which makes it harder to see returns.

However once you have all that you'll be set for a long time. In fact it's what's kept me from buying a new gun/caliber, and that includes handgun. I don't want to get caught short in the future. So I've taken to acquiring supplies over toys. A Ferrari without gas is a lawn ornament
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Step 1 - buy some HXP ammo from CMP 200 rounds is only $110 delivered.
Step 2 - Repeat step 1
I doubt you can reload 30-06 for the current price of the Greek ammo - at least not if you add in the initial cost of equipment.
Your probably right, but the ammo I load is noticeably more accurate for abut the same price. (maybe a little less).
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Old 04-22-2013, 6:02 PM
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Thanks everyone. My concern was that it was potentially going to be 5, 7, 10 years before I saw any returns.

I may shoot more, but with work and a toddler at home, time is so hard to find these days.

Do appreciate all the responses!
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Old 04-22-2013, 6:32 PM
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In California, if you don't load now and stock components and powder now, you may one month or year wake up to a very nasty problem of ammunition being 2x, 5x, 10x or even more expensive than before - or impossible to obtain at any price worth paying due to the constant threat of mail order bans, cartridge taxes and so on. Simply the threat of passage of these measures makes it hard to procure supplies as everybody buys them up in a panic - look at what's going on at a national level even without such threats against ammo.

So, buy when you can, not when you need to.
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Old 04-22-2013, 6:51 PM
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You aren't going to save any money at all. Get that idea out of your head now. You will wind up shooting more/loading more.

I see significant savings in just about everything I reload except 30.06 for the Garand. Get as much HXP from the CMP as your bank account allows, it's just such a good deal.
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Old 04-22-2013, 7:18 PM
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Step 1 - buy some HXP ammo from CMP 200 rounds is only $110 delivered.
Step 2 - Repeat step 1
I doubt you can reload 30-06 for the current price of the Greek ammo - at least not if you add in the initial cost of equipment.
HDY A-Max bullets 29 cents a piece. Primer 4 cents. Powder 15 cents. Brass: old used stuff, whatever is lying around. 50ish cents a piece to reload. 55 cents a piece for your greek stuff, and you get a cool spam-can.

Cost: very close.

Quality: Worlds apart.

Costs come down if you step down to the HPBT rounds or other less expensive stuff.
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HDY A-Max bullets 29 cents a piece. Primer 4 cents. Powder 15 cents. Brass: old used stuff, whatever is lying around. 50ish cents a piece to reload. 55 cents a piece for your greek stuff, and you get a cool spam-can.

Cost: very close.

Quality: Worlds apart.

Costs come down if you step down to the HPBT rounds or other less expensive stuff.

I get my powder for $.20 per round but pretty much agree with this.

I load .30-06 for hunting and target shooting and it's $.54 cents a round. There's been a few cases that get creased and I have to salvage what I can, but that's only a $.04 primer and the case. When I got my rifle I had some cash set aside to buy ammo so I got about 200 rounds at $.90 per round. I still have 60 left and have reloaded then shot 108 rounds. This ammo shortage isn't really affecting my shooting. One thing to do right away if you decide you want to do this, buy large rifle primers when ever you can find them. It's $4.60 for a box of 100 CCI or Remington. Magnum primers work too, that was all I could find when I ran of CCI's.
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I get my powder for $.20 per round but pretty much agree with this.

I load .30-06 for hunting and target shooting and it's $.54 cents a round. There's been a few cases that get creased and I have to salvage what I can, but that's only a $.04 primer and the case. When I got my rifle I had some cash set aside to buy ammo so I got about 200 rounds at $.90 per round. I still have 60 left and have reloaded then shot 108 rounds. This ammo shortage isn't really affecting my shooting. One thing to do right away if you decide you want to do this, buy large rifle primers when ever you can find them. It's $4.60 for a box of 100 CCI or Remington. Magnum primers work too, that was all I could find when I ran of CCI's.
I've got a few hundred bullets of various designs and I bought a 1000ct box of LR primers. Between my .30-06 and my .30-30, I can sit OK on primers for a while because I don't plink away with either... but i'm low on powder and locally there isn't much available. I'll probably buy an 8lb jug soon, but circumstances keep stepping in my way.
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I've got a few hundred bullets of various designs and I bought a 1000ct box of LR primers. Between my .30-06 and my .30-30, I can sit OK on primers for a while because I don't plink away with either... but i'm low on powder and locally there isn't much available. I'll probably buy an 8lb jug soon, but circumstances keep stepping in my way.
I'm almost out of my 1lb of H4350 that I got in January. There is a shop in my area that carries powder and I've had good luck there. The worst thing to get is primers, especially since the shop has a limit on how many you can buy at once. Once the online suppliers get them in stock I plan on ordering in bulk.

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You aren't going to save any money at all. Get that idea out of your head now. You will wind up shooting more/loading more.

I see significant savings in just about everything I reload except 30.06 for the Garand. Get as much HXP from the CMP as your bank account allows, it's just such a good deal.
As the bullets attract a magnet, is that vastly going to limit where I can shoot in SoCal?

I recall seeing a range report where that aspect was an important one to note, but I'm not sure.
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You aren't going to save any money at all. Get that idea out of your head now. You will wind up shooting more/loading more.

I see significant savings in just about everything I reload except 30.06 for the Garand. Get as much HXP from the CMP as your bank account allows, it's just such a good deal.
How reload-friendly are the casings of the HXP stuff?

Thinking maybe I load up on this, and then start building up casings for my loads.
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As the bullets attract a magnet, is that vastly going to limit where I can shoot in SoCal?

I recall seeing a range report where that aspect was an important one to note, but I'm not sure.
Many ranges are in dry places and they fear sparks, so they ban the use of ammo that attracts a magnet.

Shooting at night has taught me just how justified that fear is. Anything with a steel jacket or core or penetrator is going to throw sparks when it hits certain hard rocks.
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