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Old 04-05-2013, 4:09 PM
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Default I keep breaking decapping tool(s)

My first .308 into my new RCBS dies, and the decapping pin breaks. Found out the hard way it was 7.62 and crimped. So I bought a Lee decapping punch and base. That worked for three rounds then that broke too. Maybe I need to be a little more careful or is there a better way?
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Are you sure they are not Berdan primers?
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rcbs dies should work fine. Make sure they arent berdan primed and there isnt anything stuck inside the shell. I deprimed a butt load of crimped 30-06 with rcbs dies with no problem. The 223 pin only breaks when its loose or bent. Make sure its tight
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The Lee Universal decapping die is what I have been using ever since I broke a half dozen rcbs pins on crimped primers in my early days or reloading. The Lee is the best universal out there.
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^^this... never had a problem with Lee^^
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So from left to right its Wolf, Tul, & some russian letters looks like Eu9. Of course my pin shattered on the weird russian letter one.
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Flash Holes:


Berdan primer pocket:


Boxer primer pocket:


Boxer primers:


Is that visual enough?

You should use a small flash light and look down the case to see if it has one or too flash holes.
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You should use a small flash light and look down the case to see if it has one or too flash holes.
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make sure u have the right shell holder and the case is all the way "in"
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It was the berdan pockets breaking them. All the stuff marked 7.62 had two small flash holes. Thanks again.
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I did the same thing starting out. You could still reload them, just a pain in the @ss. Plenty of youtube videos to show you how. If not, recycle them. I think a lb of brass goes for $1.60.
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You can always transform them to boxer, their was a youtube video on it. Its time consuming however and might not be worth it.
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Ah, the infamous triple crimp.

For the most part surplus .223 is gone so no one talks about berdan .223. But there is a ton of berdan .308 still out there. When I load .308 I check each headstamp. Sure decapping pins are cheap but the downtime to replace it is annoying.
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It's not a matter of crimp; like Solus, i've decapped a decent number of .30-06 that's military primed. Both RCBS and Lee deprimin gtools work fantastic for them.

If you don't want to bother with inspecting for berdan priming, I'd suggest you get one of the Lee Universal Decapping tools. They're set with a collet, and so long as you don't change the tightness of the collet, it'll slide up when you run into something you can't decap. After that, you can just unscrew the collet, place the shaft back in place, then screw the collet back down.
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I have run into a few like the one at the right in the photo. Three holes, but the center hole is a bit smaller than a standard boxer primer flash hole and not necessarily centered in the case.

I broke a decapping pin in one. Thinking I had it figured out, I painstakingly deprimed the dozen or so matching cases I had and enlarged the center flash hole.

Then I sized and trimmed them. Upon attempting to seat a primer, I discovered the primer pocket is slightly larger than a standard boxer SRP, and the primer fell out. Into the scrap bucket they went. Lesson learned.
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My first set of dies were RCBS and I broke that stupid pin a few times. Threw the set in the closet never to see the light of day again and bought a Lee set and have been using Lee ever since and have never broken a pin. The Lee dies don't allow you to brake them, they just will push up the top of the die if you run across a berdan case. Saved me many times over the years.
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^ So, how about hooking up those dies that you don't use any more?
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Probably aren't centering the base of the case or need to check if the depriming pin is secured. Any way call rcbs and they will send you some for free, i had a hassle free experience.
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Are you sure they are not Berdan primers?
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I punched a hole through a 22lr with my decapper and then proceeded to decap hundredes of shells before I decided to see wtf was stuck inside.

Then while decapping a berdan 30-30 I "RESET IT" three times before I torqued it so hard it broke on the 4th attempt. Then I realized it was berdan...
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The Lee Universal decapping die is what I have been using ever since I broke a half dozen rcbs pins on crimped primers in my early days or reloading. The Lee is the best universal out there.
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^^this... never had a problem with Lee^^
Agree. This is what you need. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/136...-decapping-die
Decapps all calibers. Has a special decapping pin that goes up and can be reset rather than break. Haven't had any problem with crimped primers in either .223 or .308 and I just did 500 .308.
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Half the posts here didn't realize the shells were Berden primed.
There are a ton of threads about Berden primer, they are mentioned in every reloading book I have..

This happens when you don't read the posts in a thread.
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All fixed now. I am gonna closely examine any brass that is stamped 7.62. I am gonna toss the stuff I have. Sad as it's so bright and shinny.
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It's why decapping pins come in bags of 5
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Too bad someone didn't argue about it, Then We could have had a "teachable moment".....
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I process thousands of rounds so my take on things may be a little different from those that just do a few hundred at a time. I recently bought my first set of RCBS dies since I could not find Lee or Dillon in stock and I needed them quickly. The design of the RCBS dies is not nearly as sturdy as a Lee or Dillon.
RCBS has a small sleeve that holds the decap bin in place. The sleeve is made of what looks like aluminum, but whatever it is it is not strong enough. I ran maybe 1000 rounds of .223 through just decapping and swaging them on my 1050. The sleeve bent and I had an extra pin so I replaced it. With-in 500 or so more rounds the same result...bent pin. I changed to Lee dies and have run over 7K without issue. I just do not like the design of those dies.
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