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Old 04-17-2013, 8:58 PM
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Default I bought the gear to reload 308 and 30-06 for my dillon. Please tell me this is ok

I've been reading that its not so great to load rifle rounds through a Dillon. I have a xl650 and I bought all the gear to reload 308, 30-06, 44M, 45 acp. Re assure me please, and tell me its all groovy to load my rifle rounds with it.. Why are people saying dont bother???

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I reload .223, .308 and .303 with an XL650. Running both full-size and neck-size dies. Many 1000s of rounds and no major issues. With the XL650 the trick is to keep things lubricated, smooth and easy. Smooth and easy wins the day.

What are the 'not so great' issues that you are hearing about ?
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It's all groovy to load rifle rounds with it.

Having said that, I load my straightwall cases on my Dillon and bottleneck rifle on a single stage press or use my hand dies, but that is just me.
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Better yet what is a 30-08 and a 45apc?? Please send me one each for my collection.
I prefer to load the rifle rounds on my single stage presses for most uses. I do have a Dillon 650XL set up for 223 for plinking ammo and when things settle down will get stuff for 308win for it.
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Better yet what is a 30-08 and a 45apc?? Please send me one each for my collection.
I prefer to load the rifle rounds on my single stage presses for most uses. I do have a Dillon 650XL set up for 223 for plinking ammo and when things settle down will get stuff for 308win for it.
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What are the 'not so great' issues that you are hearing about ?
Unsure where I saw it today. I was browsing on my phone today at lunch... Came across a few funky reviews for loading rifle rounds.. Didn't have time to read further, nor to save the post. Unsure where I read it, Somewhere on the reloading threads.
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If you read it on the internet it 'must' be true.

Larger calibres like the 308 can be a little more challenging due to the size and thickness of brass, but just concentrate on getting to getting to be smooth and easy.
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Great, thanks Mil
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So called "experts" say that rifle ammo loaded on a proressive isn't accurate. I have had no problems. I still load most of my rifle rounds on a single stage though. The press can do it. Load away.
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Loading accurate rifle rounds is mostly dependent on brass prep and powder charge uniformity.

If the press is geometrically sound, it's going to load accurate ammo, regardless of press type.

The Dillon measures are about as good as any other with stick powders, maybe not quite up to snuff with something like the Harrell measure.

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Who ever told you this, disregard all other information you have received from them, it utter BS. You can load anything that fits on them. That is unless the people that said this have spaghetti arms and can take the extra little force it takes to pull the handle.
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I hope you have a nice AR-10 or Ma-Duce to shoot all that fine ammo you can make in such a short time.
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I would not load for a precision rifle on a progressive... Maybe that's what they were saying?... Loaded myself and seen others load MOA ammo on dillon progressive presses....


You should be good to go
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MulePacker....All is groovy...I reload lots of .308 on my Dillon 550....I do long distance(200+ yards) shooting at bowling pins, water bottles, tennis balls etc against my buddy with his hand loaded .30-06.....we shoot 50 to 100 rounds at a sitting...2 or 3 times per month...I hit as many targets as he does......the only comment I have is that I pull the pin for the powder stage and powder the case with a separate powder measure.

I do this because I use rod powder and I don't like the way the dillon measures the rod type powder....

For the 45acp....the dillon is a dream...wonderfull ammo
Ditto for the 44Mag......

ALL is groovy!!!!!
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Everything will be fine assuming you purchased all the correct equipment and use powders that meter well.

While I have a progressive and single stage press, I 100% prefer to load match ammo on the single stage. This insures the consistency needed. Plus I chamfer and deburr all my rifle cases which you can't do when reloading on a progressive.
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Loading accurate rifle rounds is mostly dependent on brass prep and powder charge uniformity.

If the press is geometrically sound, it's going to load accurate ammo, regardless of press type.

The Dillon measures are about as good as any other with stick powders, maybe not quite up to snuff with something like the Harrell measure.

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I agree that accurate ammo comes down a lot to prep. When I am hand loading match ammo I am going through many steps that don't lend them selves to progressive press loading. That is not to say you can't do it but it is hard to do. An example would be after you resize your brass you may want to trim your brass and if you have to trim the brass it is another step and if you don't have a station set up on the press to do it the you won't be able to uniform your brass to the same specs. Again it is possible to have the press do it. It just doesn't make it easy. Plus the trim station set up isn't cheap but it is very nice if you get it. Powder is the other part that is hard to do well on a progressive. Again you can do it, but when it comes down to making precision rounds I like to hand weigh out each charge and that doesn't really work on a progressive.

But I love the 650 and think if you take your time and don't mind breaking up the progressive process to two separate process (one time for brass prep, then second session for powder and seating) the press will work great for any of your hand loading needs.
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I agree that accurate ammo comes down a lot to prep. When I am hand loading match ammo I am going through many steps that don't lend them selves to progressive press loading. That is not to say you can't do it but it is hard to do. An example would be after you resize your brass you may want to trim your brass and if you have to trim the brass it is another step and if you don't have a station set up on the press to do it the you won't be able to uniform your brass to the same specs. Again it is possible to have the press do it. It just doesn't make it easy. Plus the trim station set up isn't cheap but it is very nice if you get it. Powder is the other part that is hard to do well on a progressive. Again you can do it, but when it comes down to making precision rounds I like to hand weigh out each charge and that doesn't really work on a progressive.

But I love the 650 and think if you take your time and don't mind breaking up the progressive process to two separate process (one time for brass prep, then second session for powder and seating) the press will work great for any of your hand loading needs.
First of all, reloading match grade accurate ammo on a progressive press is possible, as I'd put my ammo up against any loaded with a single stage press.

However, this being said, accurate rifle ammo loaded progressively is pretty much an oxymoron, for reasons that you mention.

It generally comes down to progressives loading match type ammo in a semi-progressive manner. Even rifle rounds in general, for plinking, need to be sized, delubed, trimmed perhaps, PPs uniformed, cleaned, FHs deburred, etc..

Generally, for purposes of discussion here, the issues are two fold, in my mind: a) are SS presses inherently more precise, or at least perceptibly so (measureably so,) than progressive presses? and b) should a newbie always opt (initially) for a SS press to learn the ropes on, before running off and purchasing a progressive?

No and Not Always are my answers.

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unless you can outshoot your rifle and outshoot your ammo, it won't make much difference. the trick is to find the right bullet/powder combination that gives the best results, and that will vary from rifle to rifle. and accuracy is of course a relative thing. if you're talking 5 shot, one hole groups, then you're going to have all redding stuff, precision micrometer dies, electronic scales, powder trickler, etc. and you'll probably be reloading right there at the bench. seating the bullet just ever so slightly so that it engages the lands. BR guys are seriously OCD

if you are loading hunting ammo, you can cut groups down significantly, but again, there isn't a whole lot of necessity in a deer rifle to go from 1" to 1/2" groups then try for less. and for AR/garand type platforms, there's other factors like functioning and reliability. and again, the group differences will be almost imperceptible between a SS and progressive. my garand loads I've got tuned pretty well and I know what they can shoot. I do have a SS press for it, but I use a hornady powder thrower and don't bother to weigh each charge. usually once it's set, I'll throw the charges and check about every 20-30. as long as it's no more than .5 grains off, which it is almost never even close to that far off, I'm fine.

dillon presses are awesome. I load everything on my square deal and runs like a champ. 650 will produce great ammo.
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