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Old 03-24-2013, 5:12 PM
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hello. im just starting to roading ive picked .40 to start
not able to find much powders in stores all I found was AA 2 and 155gr xtreme plated rnfp bullets
the lee die set I bought said I could use 5.6 grains aa2 . I havent been able to find much peoe using aa2 in searches.
was wondering if u guys might have some advice
guns id be using are a hkp30 and a xd40
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Old 03-24-2013, 5:31 PM
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According to Accurate's online load data the start load for that bullet weight in a Berry's plated (basically the same bullet) is 5.9gr and the max is 6.8gr. 1.125" minimum OAL. Should work for your guns, just use start loads and work up slowly. AA # 2 is pretty fast, so make sure the weights are correct before setting the bullet.

http://www.accuratepowder.com/wp-con...d_data_3.5.pdf

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Old 03-24-2013, 7:02 PM
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Can't help you much with your questions but just work your way up cause 40 is a high pressure round. If you can start with 45acp it would be better.
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I was planning to start with .45 but my friend bought a .40
what would happen if I started with like 5.2 gr or 5.4? which is below the min charge?
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Old 03-24-2013, 7:30 PM
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I was planning to start with .45 but my friend bought a .40
what would happen if I started with like 5.2 gr or 5.4? which is below the min charge?
It is not a problem to start conservatively, just don't make a ton at each level as loads below start levels might not cycle your gun. Single feeding 100 rounds is a bummer.

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I use 4.6gr Accurate #2 on 155 gr HBRN Plated bullet. It gets me 822 Fps with a light crimp. Cycles my FNP-40 just fine. Great for target shooting.
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Can't help you much with your questions but just work your way up cause 40 is a high pressure round.
That's actually a good thing.

Whas nice about the 40 is you can run it at 45 ACP pressures by treating it as a mini-45 ACP. I run a Glock 24 (6" slide that weighs 25 oz, use the stock 17lb recoil spring) My favorite load is 4 grains of Titegroup under a 165 FMJ FP @ 1.150" OAL. 4 grains of Bullseye shoots good too. I have gone as light as 3.8 grains of Bullseye, but the OAL had to be shortened to ensure reliable cycling. That's what? 2 grains under max? But it works!

I would try 5 grains of AA#2 to see if it cycles your gun. If it does, go down in .2gr increments until it doesnt. Then work up from there, testing each batch for accuracy off a rest. I can tell you that the 40 does not like full-power loads with fast powders. You'll find best accuracy in the starting load range.
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okay ill try 5.0 grains. oo idk if it matters but im using lee dies and press. . also whats a good oal to shoot for?
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okay ill try 5.0 grains. oo idk if it matters but im using lee dies and press. . also whats a good oal to shoot for?
It doesn't matter what dies and press. Say start at 1.130". OAL. At that load level you have some room for error.

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okay ill try 5.0 grains. oo idk if it matters but im using lee dies and press. . also whats a good oal to shoot for?
1.125" is usually standard length. You can go longer to 1.135 or more if it will fit in your mag and feed reliably. Check the OAL listed in your data. Err on the long side and seat deeper if needed, but don't go shorter than 1.125 or the min OAL listed.
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why not?
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why not?
http://greent.com/40Page/ammo/40/180gr.htm
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He's not loading a 180.

He's loading a 155.

He's thinking of going BELOW a published starting load.
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This piece has been refuted many times.

Frankly, the only bullet I load in 40 is 180gr. I buy them in case lots as I also use them in 10mm. I have never had anything that might suggest the 180's are a problem in 40S&W, nothing, nada. I only load range pickup brass in 40 (really the only reason I load 40 is the free brass).
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Sounds like someone needs to get a good reloading manual or three. Follow the published recipes and you should be fine.

I use Bullseye for the powder which has ben fantastic for me so far.
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I have the 49th lyman and the 9th hornady looking to pick up speers also.
thing is both dont have much data with aa2 and .40. plus I feel safer if I have others opinions who used the powder. aa2 is all I could find in the crazy ness and I missed being able to buy aaa5 by 20min the counter sales person told me. and 155gr plated is all I could find also.
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I have the 49th lyman and the 9th hornady looking to pick up speers also.
thing is both dont have much data with aa2 and .40. plus I feel safer if I have others opinions who used the powder. aa2 is all I could find in the crazy ness and I missed being able to buy aaa5 by 20min the counter sales person told me. and 155gr plated is all I could find also.
You will do fine.

#2 is a terrific powder for target loads. 155gr plated will also work fine for target shooting.

Take your time, get to know how the scale works to make sure your loads are accurate. You are starting conservatively which is terrific for a newcomer.

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I just ordered some 165 and 180 sample packets from precision delta since it showed them in stock
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I just ordered some 165 and 180 sample packets from precision delta since it showed them in stock
Excellent product. I shoot the 180gr FP's almost exclusively in my 10mm and 40S&W.
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One additional thing:

When looking at published data, consider that starting loads are at a certain level because they want to make sure they cycle all guns in the hands of all people. Some guns will run lighter loads than others, especially if you lock your wrists while shooting. Don't be afraid to load long, like 1.150". I found that OAL to be generally more accurate than 1.120" or thereabouts.
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I have used several pounds of aa2 in 45 and 9mm. It is great with light bullets. One thing I have noticed is many of accurate online data runs hotter than many other guides. So starting a little low per accurat data may be starting loads in some more conservative guides.
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cool thanks for all the info guys. ive been wanting to reload for years while I lived on maui. But cash was a issue. now that im in vegas I can afford it. been afraid to start on the .40 cause of the kaboom stories.
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so no kabooms found out hk wont cycle below 4.8gr and xd was cycling 4.4.
had some unburnt powder tho left in barrel is that normal?
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so no kabooms found out hk wont cycle below 4.8gr and xd was cycling 4.4.
had some unburnt powder tho left in barrel is that normal?
Unburnt powder means you are running light. You can either bump the load up some, or seat the bullet a little deeper. For #2, in 40S&W, I would just bump a little in powder, say go to 5.0gr like J-cat suggested.

Sounds like you are on the right track.

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just went to bass pro and found imr 4756 so gonna try it
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4756 is a bit too slow for what you are trying to do. Not a good powder for light loads. Now that you know where the bottom is, load 5 grains of #2, then 5.2, then 5.4 and so on until you're happy with the accuracy. AA powders always leave some unburnt powder in the barrel, that's normal.
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loaded some more ag 5.2 and 5.4 gonna try it out.
I tryed some of the smr and found out I have load it close to the min powder requjrements to cycle my hk slide. OAL was at 1.140
Alsi I picked uo some berrys 155gr hbrn. would I load that like I load the xtreme 155rnfp?
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loaded some more ag 5.2 and 5.4 gonna try it out.
I tryed some of the smr and found out I have load it close to the min powder requjrements to cycle my hk slide. OAL was at 1.140
Alsi I picked uo some berrys 155gr hbrn. would I load that like I load the xtreme 155rnfp?
Yes same, at least to start. You may find that you need a skosh more powder with the HB, than a similar weight non-HB xtreme.
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What I find reloading 40 brass is some of it fired from glocks have a bulge at the base which will need attention when resizing and not loading to max pressures makes practice better.
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OAL effect pressure only? or accuracy to?
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Pressure, feed and accuracy.

Depending on the caliber, the OAL might affect pressure in a critical manner. Depending on the gun, OAL might mean the difference between feeding and not. If you are a fair hand behind the trigger, you may see a difference in your accuracy at different OAL's. If you do see a difference in accuracy related to OAL, you know you are there, loading for handguns.
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OAL affects pressure and accuracy. I found my Glock likes 1.150" OAL better than 1.135". The groups are noticeably smaller, but more consistent. Same thing with the 9mm. What I do is work up the load at different OALs within the OAL range. In the 9/40 I typically do 1.150", 1.130", and 1.110" OAL. The problem is with lighter bullets there isn't much sitting in the case at the long OALs so I stick to 125s or 147s or 155+ in the 40.
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how come VV powder so costly? found some for .223 and it was 34.00
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So the Finns can enjoy their high standard of living.
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sorry about all the questions. I have been reading and using the answers you guys have given. I picked up some aa7 and powerpistol powders the other day. I looked alliants website for load data for 155 plated but only found load data for speers golddot 155.
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sorry about all the questions. I have been reading and using the answers you guys have given. I picked up some aa7 and powerpistol powders the other day. I looked alliants website for load data for 155 plated but only found load data for speers golddot 155.
That will work fine, Gold Dots are also plated.
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