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Old 03-24-2013, 3:48 PM
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Is it legal to sell factory loaded ammo non F to F if you get a copy of the buyer’s ID to confirm their age?
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Old 03-24-2013, 4:15 PM
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Why do you need a copy of their ID?

I'll expand... Are you even qualified to determine if an ID is real or not? So, what good would it do if you did get a copy?

Do you have any reason to believe that the individual is not at least 18?


Frankly I would be extremely suspicious of anyone who asked me for my ID in a private online or face to face purchase of ammo.
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I can understand attempting to be responsible but ask for my ID in a FTF sale, Im walking away.
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In most cases I don't think it is necessary. I bought some ammo at a gun show a few months ago. I was not asked for ID, nor was anybody in line in front of me buying from this seller.....of course nobody looked like a teenager in the line.
Just give the State Legislature a little time and the person you want to sell the ammo to will have to show the State approved ammo dealer his ID, so the dealer can do a ammo DROS for the transfer of the ammo from you to the buyer

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Want my birth certificate as well? I'll even through in my SS card.
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Why do you need a copy of their ID?

I'll expand... Are you even qualified to determine if an ID is real or not? So, what good would it do if you did get a copy?

Do you have any reason to believe that the individual is not at least 18?


Frankly I would be extremely suspicious of anyone who asked me for my ID in a private online or face to face purchase of ammo.
I've never been able to buy ammo on line without it. Everyone knows an ID can be faked; F to F is no guarantee that the ID is valid. I think it's just a due diligence thing.
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I can understand attempting to be responsible but ask for my ID in a FTF sale, Im walking away.
I'm not talking about FTF. I'm talking about on line.
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Online is a different story. I have asked for a copy of ID before when selling online.
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I've never been able to buy ammo on line without it. Everyone knows an ID can be faked; F to F is no guarantee that the ID is valid. I think it's just a due diligence thing.
I've purchased ammo from MidwayUSA, Cabelas, Surplus Ammo, and probably a dozen other places... I've never experienced that.

If you want to ask for an ID for a private sale, go ahead. I'm just saying that any buyer should be very suspicious of your intent and should be concerned with how careful you are with any information they provide you.

And my point about the ID and being faked is this... Its more impossible for you to tell who's ID I'm sending you a picture of, OR if its printed out on printer paper. In person, you can at least tell if it was printed out on regular printer paper. ---In any case... I would be very surprised if your an expert at identifying the legitimacy of someone's ID that they send you a picture of via the internet.

If your that concerned about it. Send it as "Requires Adult Signature upon Delivery". You will have done your due diligence, PLUS SOME, and are making it the responsibility of the UPS driver.
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I can see the wisdom in not wanting to display an ID. It's going to have your (presumably) home address written on it, and in an internet transfer the recipient of the ID is now going to have a permanent record of it. There's always the risk of a targeted firearms burglary by giving a stranger that information.
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How are they paying? Don't you have to be 18 to have a CC? As long as the name matches, I would think you're covered.
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I can see the wisdom in not wanting to display an ID. It's going to have your (presumably) home address written on it, and in an internet transfer the recipient of the ID is now going to have a permanent record of it. There's always the risk of a targeted firearms burglary by giving a stranger that information.
If one is buying ammo online, it's likely they're going to have to supply their address for shipping anyway. We prove our ages with our ID's to buy alcohol and firearms. Personally, I don't have a problem with it, though I do see why both parties would want to be cautious. If its a concern, one could redact the signature and DL number.
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The last time I got asked for ID on a private online purchase I sent a copy of my Oregon CCW card.
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I have never been asked or asked any one else for ID. Regardless of where or which way the sale was going.
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How are they paying? Don't you have to be 18 to have a CC? As long as the name matches, I would think you're covered.
Nope. Got my son a CC in his name when he went away to college. He was only 17 at the time.

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" Is it legal to sell factory loaded ammo non F to F if you get a copy of the buyer’s ID to confirm their age? "

Yes it is. You do not have sell it F2F. You can UPS or Fedex parcel it, for instance. Just don't use the USPS where it is not legal.
Schwarzenegger signed law outlawing mail order sales. Courts overturned the law. F2F is not required in California.
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The few times I have sold ammo online, I have asked for a signed statement from the buyer, stating they was not prohibited from being in possession of ammunition
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*shrugs* I've never been asked for ID from my 3 main sources of online ammo purchase. MidwayUSA, MacksPW, PSA, do not ask for ID.
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Is it legal to sell factory loaded ammo non F to F if you get a copy of the buyer’s ID to confirm their age?
Yes, that works, buy off the net lately cause the locals don't have any.

Even in Chicargo that works.
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