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Old 03-22-2013, 8:01 AM
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I couldn't tell from the article, but did the cops even have a warrant? I suppose with the way New York is these days that the word from the snitch would have been enough to get a rubber stamp, but still.
if the law is that you HAVE to have a pistol permit to own a pistol, and he didnt have one, the snitch telling police he had them there would likely be enough
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Old 03-22-2013, 8:19 AM
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if the law is that you HAVE to have a pistol permit to own a pistol, and he didnt have one, the snitch telling police he had them there would likely be enough
Payton v. New York

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Didn't Calguns Foundation help a gun owner get his "illegal arsenal" returned by DOJ sometime back?

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Old 03-22-2013, 8:56 AM
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The snitch should be a matter of public record. Additionally, it shouldnt be too difficult to find them on the maps of licensed pistol owners that the media couldnt help printing. It might be unfortunate should anyone make a connection between the two.
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Nope; I don't have one.

I just need to show my LTC.

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Yep, I need a HSC to get my LTC (CCW), too.
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The only "illegal weapons" according to the article were the 85 pistols, which were only illegal because he didn't have a pistol license?! Needing a license to own a weapon in your own home? Seems illegal to me.
He should fight this all the way to the Supreme Court. Requiring a license to exercise a right is unconstitutional.
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Didn't Calguns Foundation help a gun owner get his "illegal arsenal" returned by DOJ sometime back?

Erik.
That was BWO back in 2007. Poor guy got raided because a girl at his college saw his guns on Facebook and called the cops. And he's a reserve MP IIRC.
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Didn't they encourage the Hitler Youth to snitch in the neighborhood?

I don't know. The look of the kevlar helmets (stalhelm?), shock and awe (blitzkrieg), pre-emptive attack on Iraq (Poland, Sudenland?) make me think our government is not so much the guy in the white hat it used to be.
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Uh, this moron does not make us look good.
Illegal guns stashed all over the house, presumably not secured...
Expired FFL...
No license...
None of which is actually illegal. I can't control what makes statists wet themselves.
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I thought Snitches got Stitches in New York.
Only if they snitch on real criminals!
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Pure fear mongering, a school just around the corner. Its going to become like the Salem witch trials.
It already is!
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I couldn't tell from the article, but did the cops even have a warrant? I suppose with the way New York is these days that the word from the snitch would have been enough to get a rubber stamp, but still.
Just about anything anywhere can get a rubber stamp warrant. You know the old joke about indicting a ham sandwich? Well a cop can make up a reason for searching for the mustard, and a judge will sign it.
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Gestapo tactics re-surfaces in New York.

Next, we'll see summer camps spring up all over the country....

"Obama Youth Wants You!!"

Graduates will be even exclusive shiny, new patent leather boots. Will parade down Pensylvania Ave in grand fashion as Obama is surrounded by loyal followers. Then they will swear an oath by kissing a flag...
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You got a turtle in your pocket?
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But don't I need it to buy one?
No.
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Yep, I need a HSC to get my LTC (CCW), too.
Must be a local thing.
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Didn't they encourage the Hitler Youth to snitch in the neighborhood?

I don't know. The look of the kevlar helmets (stalhelm?), shock and awe (blitzkrieg), pre-emptive attack on Iraq (Poland, Sudenland?) make me think our government is not so much the guy in the white hat it used to be.
Sudetenland.
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Must be a local thing.
No, it's not.

From calguns foundation wiki
http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Th...ty_Certificate

From 1994 to 2003, California required a Basic Firearms Safety Certificate (BFSC) to purchase a handgun. The BFSC was good for life, and the requirement was waived for military veterans and for those who had a hunting license.
Senators Scott and Perata introduced SB52 in 2000 to replace the BFSC with the Handgun Safety Certificate (HSC). This bill also introduced the safe handling demonstration.
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The HSC requirement is in Penal Code 31615 (was 12071(b)(8)(B)).
(a) No person shall do either of the following:
(1) Purchase or receive any handgun, except an antique firearm,
without a valid handgun safety certificate.
(2) Sell, deliver, loan, or transfer any handgun, except an
antique firearm, to any person who does not have a valid handgun
safety certificate.
(b) Any person who violates subdivision (a) is guilty of a
misdemeanor.
A handgun buyer or transferee must have a Handgun Safety Certificate, and present it to the dealer before the dealer can deliver a handgun.
Prior holders of a BFSC must obtain a HSC; the BFSC is no longer accepted.
The HSC is valid for five years and must be renewed.
Procedure

One obtains a Handgun Safety Certificate by taking and passing a multiple choice test -- you must score at least 75% (23 correct answers out of 30 questions) -- and paying a fee of $25.
One can review for the HSC test by downloading the Handgun Safety Certificate Study Guide (.pdf) from the DOJ.
You may take the test only from a DOJ Certified Instructor. Generally a dealer's place of business will have one or more staff members who are certified.

Can someone explain how this is so different from a handgun license?
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Can someone explain how this is so different from a handgun license?
Difference is very slight, but is very important in this case. The Permit is required to be maintained to even OWN the firearms. The HSC is required at the time of purchase.
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Cops have been using snitch lines for a long time. Did anyone really doubt that the concept would expand to include guns someday? The snitch line is just a symptom. The real problem here is that NY(C) can pass a law like that and get away with it.
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Uh, this moron does not make us look good.
Illegal guns stashed all over the house, presumably not secured...
Expired FFL...
No license...
future snitch here. watch your backs.
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Somebody got $500. "Illegal" gun reward fund, we'll just use DROS funds, coming to a California near you.
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New York is now offering $500 reward for tipping the state off on illegal firearms.
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Uh, this moron does not make us look good.
Illegal guns stashed all over the house, presumably not secured...
Expired FFL...
No license...
I am sorry to rag on you but how many laws, rules and regulations imposed on gun owners who have Never done anything wrong, is one person expected to put up with and then comply to? What rules would you consider to much? Where are you going to draw the line? If they passed a law that said no ownership of guns would you hand them in and expect all the other gun owners (Morons) to do it to because it is the Law?

Just wondering were your line is?
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I thought Snitches got Stitches in New York.
Not so much. This is the kinder, gentler snitches backed up by the NY state police. No opportunity to give them stitches, your already cuffed and stuffed before you have a chance to know what hit you.
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how many guns constitutes an arsenal?
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how many guns constitutes an arsenal?
According to the press it seems like 2 or more is an arsenal.
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Sudetenland.
Thanks. I obviously didn't proofread that part of the post.
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He should fight this all the way to the Supreme Court. Requiring a license to exercise a right is unconstitutional.
^^ this. According to Murdock v. Pennsylvania (referenced in the Heller decision)
The state cannot and does not have the power to license, nor tax, a Right guaranteed to the people.

If there is no more to the charge we should jump on this with both feet. While I was disappointed that Heller did not go past your front door, this case is clearly covered.
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Gestapo tactics in NY. history is repeating itself.
bingo... ovens and gas chambers in 2 or 3 decades..
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AND after the media spin wears off, out of his entire LEGALLY OWNED inventory, one gun had a questionable history. the guy was a home ffl who lost his license due to lack of storefront.

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