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Old 03-01-2013, 7:07 AM
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Default Is a brand new NAA 22LR a C&R?

Is it? What makes it a C&R? If it is, I am guessing because of it being single action only.

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Who claims it is?

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To be recognized as C&R items, 478.11 specifies that firearms must fall within one of the following categories:

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I can't see that fitting any of those categories.
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I do not believe it is a C&R
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Yes, it is certainly a C&R, as in "Clumsy and Regrettable"
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Who claims it is?

I can't see that fitting any of those categories.
I just DROSed one at Turners.




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Yes, it is certainly a C&R, as in "Clumsy and Regrettable"
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Yes, it is certainly a C&R, as in "Clumsy and Regrettable"
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No brand new gun would be C&R. Turners made a mistake not that it matters since it was DROS'd anyway.
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No brand new gun would be C&R. Turners made a mistake not that it matters since it was DROS'd anyway.
I was questioning the guy (older tall, nice gentleman) but he said he was sure. Would that have an effect with my DROS in any way?
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The black powder version would be considered an antique (as a replica cap & ball), maybe they were confused.
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I just DROSed one at Turners.



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I'm curious why didn't you ask if it was an Olympic pistol?


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No brand new gun would be C&R. Turners made a mistake not that it matters since it was DROS'd anyway.

It's not a mistake.

The / is either or.
In this case, the NAA is a single action so it is exempt from the roster. On the DROS they have to mark what it is.
The roster exemptions are all lumped together with "Curio/Relic/Olympic Pistol/Exempt".
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I'm curious why didn't you ask if it was an Olympic pistol?





It's not a mistake.

The / is either or.
In this case, the NAA is a single action so it is exempt from the roster. On the DROS they have to mark what it is.
The roster exemptions are all lumped together with "Curio/Relic/Olympic Pistol/Exempt".
This. Single action revolvers are exempt from the roster. I purchased a Taylor's Smokewagon this way.
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It's not a mistake.

The / is either or.
In this case, the NAA is a single action so it is exempt from the roster. On the DROS they have to mark what it is.
The roster exemptions are all lumped together with "Curio/Relic/Olympic Pistol/Exempt".
Why is it exempt if it is clearly on the roster? ANd why can't we Californians get the other models (e.g. Black Widow, Pug....)?

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??? brings up many ???
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It's not a mistake.

The / is either or.
In this case, the NAA is a single action so it is exempt from the roster. On the DROS they have to mark what it is.
The roster exemptions are all lumped together with "Curio/Relic/Olympic Pistol/Exempt".
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This. Single action revolvers are exempt from the roster. I purchased a Taylor's Smokewagon this way.
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Why is it exempt if it is clearly on the roster? ANd why can't we Californians get the other models (e.g. Black Widow, Pug....)?

I think Turner's made a mistake, it's not the case that every single-action revolver is exempt...the NAA is not exempt from the Roster because its barrel is less than 3" and its overall length is less than 7 1/2". That's why they have to be on the roster.
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Yes, it is certainly a C&R, as in "Clumsy and Regrettable"
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I happen to like my NAA...it's one of my favorite carry pieces. I've got it stoked with Hornady Critical Defense. I know I wouldn't want to get shot with one!

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I think Turner's made a mistake, it's not the case that every single-action revolver is exempt...the NAA is not exempt from the Roster because its barrel is less than 3" and its overall length is less than 7 1/2". That's why they have to be on the roster.
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I think Turner's made a mistake, it's not the case that every single-action revolver is exempt...the NAA is not exempt from the Roster because its barrel is less than 3" and its overall length is less than 7 1/2". That's why they have to be on the roster.
That's what I have read so far. I called another Turner's store just to see if they all do it and sure enough, I got the same answer.



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I happen to like my NAA...it's one of my favorite carry pieces. I've got it stoked with Hornady Critical Defense. I know I wouldn't want to get shot with one!

I like it for the novelty. But while waiting for mine to arrive I have cruised the NAA forums and those guys love their minis

http://naaminis.com/smf/index.php?PH...fbfb&board=3.0













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I think Turner's made a mistake, it's not the case that every single-action revolver is exempt...the NAA is not exempt from the Roster because its barrel is less than 3" and its overall length is less than 7 1/2". That's why they have to be on the roster.
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I think Turner's made a mistake, it's not the case that every single-action revolver is exempt...the NAA is not exempt from the Roster because [B]its barrel is less than 3" and its overall length is less than 7 1/2".[B] That's why they have to be on the roster.
Ahh, right. That's a good clarification that slipped my mind too.

ETA: Nevertheless, all the exemptions on the DROS are lumped together, so I can see why the OP was questioning a C&R.
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So is it safe to assume that Turner's made a mistake since the NAA 22LR does not fit any of the categories in the "Curio/Relic/Olympic Pistol/Exempt" box?

NOT A C&R
Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas of such firearms;
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NOT EXEMPT
the NAA is not exempt from the Roster because its barrel is less than 3" and its overall length is less than 7 1/2"

...and definitely NOT AN OLYMPIC PISTOL


I guess my main concern really is on how this will affect my DROS with DOJ now and in the future....
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Just dros the 22 mag version today @ Turners norwalk , now the 10 day wait game begins ....
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Just dros the 22 mag version today @ Turners norwalk , now the 10 day wait game begins ....
What does your DROS "Transaction Type" say?
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Says the same thing on mine c&r on transaction type ..... So it is not a mistake , that is the way they dros them .....
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Says the same thing on mine c&r on transaction type ..... So it is not a mistake , that is the way they dros them .....
Why? That's what we are trying to figure out here.
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Dude, that's a semi-auto
The NAA 22LR?
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Zman not sure as to why they register them as c&r ....

Did they make you buy a lock for that naa 22lr you just picked up ?
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The NAA 22LR?
It was a sad attempt at humor.
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Zman not sure as to why they register them as c&r ....

Did they make you buy a lock for that naa 22lr you just picked up ?
Yes I had to buy a cable lock NAA should have provided those.
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