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Old 03-15-2008, 11:29 PM
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Default PAR-1 and assorted evil features

So I decided to get one of those PAR-1's from Big5. I already have a Romy G build, and I thought this would be an interesting addition to the collection.

I considered a conversion on it, but decided not to. By keeping it as a pump action, what is the deal with evil features? It has a pistol grip obviously, and a detachable mag. Can I remove the lame muzzle break and put on something more interesting? How about a folding stock....I still need 30" overall length?

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dude, its a pump-action..You can put a live weasel or hollowed dildo on the barrel and it would be legal..A folding stock will be ok but keep overall length above the legal amount.

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dude, its a pump-action..You can put a live weasel or hollowed dildo on the barrel and it would be legal..A folding stock will be ok but keep overall length above the legal amount.

It only needs to be longer than 26" since it is not a semi-auto, centerfire rifle.

Keep it over 26" and put whatever evil features you want on it.
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dude, its a pump-action..You can put a live weasel or hollowed dildo on the barrel and it would be legal
Well that solves my problem of what to do with my excess weasel and dildo problem....
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If you use both a weasel AND dildo then we know which way you swing...Let me guess there's a tube and lighter involved as well?


Just remember that it's 26" with the stock FOLDED and you should be ok. Also, for overall length it doesn't need to be permanent. So if you're half an inch short and decide to attach a longer muzzle device, it doesn't need to be pinned. That's only barrel length. Overall rifle length can be held on with tension for all they care; just make sure it doesn't come off ever with out extending the rifle in another manner. Wouldn't want to create an assault weapon because muzzle blast threw your muzzle brake down range.
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I turned my par-1 back into a real AK style rifle. I used an ak parts kit to do it. It works great.
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Which NorCal Big 5's carry PAR-1 rifles in stock? I have never seen one.
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I know the one in Capistrano beach (south Orange county) has one, I almost wanted to cry when I saw it it is so homley
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I found one in Ceres.

Can I convert it by pressing out the existing barrel, an replacing it with one from a parts kit, thereby retaining the original rivets?
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Once you switch the stock, does 922 apply?
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Once you switch the stock, does 922 apply?
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922r only applies to semi-automatic rifles and shotguns.

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I wonder if there is a way to alter the forward grip to accept a forward pistol grip? Would be more comfortable I think.
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I stopped by the local big5 and they are all out. I guess its more popular than expected. Now for the legalities. I am thinking of a trunk rifle and this would be perfect but I need to get the legal mumbo jumbo. Since it is a pump what can we do legally to it. I know minimum 26 inches. So I can put a folding stock on it as so long when folded it stays above 26". How about magazine capacity? Can you use preban Hicaps with this? Does it have to have a fix stock? Can I add a muzzle break? Since this is not a shotgun does the laws pertaining the shotgun apply to the Par-1.
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So I can put a folding stock on it as so long when folded it stays above 26".
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How about magazine capacity? Can you use preban Hicaps with this?
Yes. If you owned large capacity magazines before 01-01-2000 in CA, you can use them.

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This site has an interesting take on the whole pump to semi-auto conversion.
It's summary: it's not worth it.
http://thegunwiki.com/Gunwiki/RecModsParOne
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Does anyone know if the big-5's in nor cal carry these?
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I wonder if there is a way to alter the forward grip to accept a forward pistol grip? Would be more comfortable I think.
It can be done, but I would not recommend doing this. The reason being is, because of the way the black plastic foregrip is attatched to the metal rod(that replaces the gas piston) to cycle the action, having a vertical front grip attatched to the plastic foregrip creates leverage that causes binding between the foregrip and the wooden handguard. I tried it, promptly got rid of it.

It's best to cycle the action by pulling the foregrip back and letting go, allowing the recoil spring to slam the action shut. Riding the foregrip closed will cause misfeeds.
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Does anyone know if the big-5's in nor cal carry these?
Milpitas Big5 on Calaveras Blvd. I just purchased their one and only and it's not too shabby (looks good/new).
They can take orders and you will surely get it if you pre-pay, I asked.
Was gonna order a PAR3 but I figured one par is enough. I am planning on putting all the evil features on it
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The one here in San Diego was $259.
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I saw one in the San Ramon Big 5 yesterday. I wasn't impressed. The whole thing seemed cheap, and the pump action pretty hokey. But if you're looking for one, they have it.
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dude, its a pump-action..You can put a live weasel or hollowed dildo on the barrel and it would be legal..A folding stock will be ok but keep overall length above the legal amount.

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I saw one in the San Ramon Big 5 yesterday. I wasn't impressed. The whole thing seemed cheap, and the pump action pretty hokey. But if you're looking for one, they have it.
It is cheap for 259. Hell I wonder if it can even hit at the tin can range in LARG. Did you physically check it out? The one I handled had a pretty solid pump action and looked new as well. I thought it was nicely built and the funny thing is that the stock and grip had a pretty good resemblance to my romy kit. Anyway, well see how it performs when I take it out to the range after I pick it up.
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How hard is converting one to use a charging handle instead of the pump, like in the wiki? Is it something a noob can do, just disassemble/reassemble, or does it take some experience? Are the necessary parts easy to get?
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It is cheap for 259. Hell I wonder if it can even hit at the tin can range in LARG. Did you physically check it out? The one I handled had a pretty solid pump action and looked new as well. I thought it was nicely built and the funny thing is that the stock and grip had a pretty good resemblance to my romy kit. Anyway, well see how it performs when I take it out to the range after I pick it up.
They look better built than when they first came out a few years ago, that's for sure.
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I just picked up the one in san juan capo.Its pretty nice...I got a romy kit laying around and might do the switch..
thanks fo all the info on this site...
instead of converting it I want to just add a folding stock..
is this legal in cali.like the one on the wikki page at the bottom..he says fully califonia legal.. but I tried to order on from a website and it said they cant ship to cali??? what is the deal?? does someone here have any romy folding stocks for sale???
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Folding stock is legal on the Par-1 AK's as long as the overall length is 26" or more.
There is no restriction for shipping rifle parts, but companies have their own policy ragarding sales and shipping to California. Look elsewhere, there are plenty of vendors out there.

If interested I have a slightly used Ace 10" standard skeleton folding stock (requires cutting the rear tang where it protrudes from the back of the receiver, gives it a nice flush appearance when folded):
http://riflestocks.com/catalog/produ...roducts_id=329
I'll sell it for $140.00.
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cool.
I cant seem to find one other than that site in stock...
can some one point me in the right direction, i want a romanian side folder. not the newer side folders
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Have you tried these vendors?
http://www.militarygunsupply.com/sho...products_id=50

http://www.gunparts.citymax.com/cata...12/1348099.htm

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/ind...ROD&ProdID=439
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thanks alot... I will order one today, and hopefully it will be here by the time I can pick up the par-1...
again thanks for your help....
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Have fun.
Don't forget to post when you get the Par-1 all set up.
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"If interested I have a slightly used Ace 10" standard skeleton folding stock (requires cutting the rear tang where it protrudes from the back of the receiver, gives it a nice flush appearance when folded):
http://riflestocks.com/catalog/produ...roducts_id=329
I'll sell it for $140.00."


I didnt see that...thanks,but I like the original romy one alot and its pretty cheap....are they unconfortable?? thanks for th offer though....
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http://riflestocks.com/catalog/produ...roducts_id=329
I'll sell it for $140.00."


I didnt see that...thanks,but I like the original romy one alot and its pretty cheap....are they unconfortable?? thanks for th offer though....
From my experience, metal folding stocks will transfer recoil to the shooter. Wood and plastic stocks help absorb more of this felt recoil. If you want comfort, stick to the wood stocks.
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I saw one at the Big5 in Dublin, but the last time I was there they were out...
After I saw it I thought it might be cool to remove the pump handle and replace it with a regular charging handle and then make it look like a Galil. with the way the gasstube it set up and the AR style compensator it look pretty close to the Galil....

But sadly, my funds are to low, and they are all out of Par-1's
Oh well...
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I'm getting hyped on the idea of buying a PAR-1, I've been doing the research on ditching th pump and it looks like a fun first timer project that can be done in stages. First ditch the pump for bolt carrier with a charging handle, gas tube, sight/gas block, and furniture, to have a bolt action AK that looks just as evil as anything available in a free state. Then start buying all the compliance parts(and MMG), gas piston, FCG, compensator, once I have all the compliance parts, drill the hole in the barrel and have a sweet semi-auto AK to be proud of.

Does that sound right? Probably cost more than just buying a WASR, but seems like more fun, plus it will mean more experience with the internals.
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I'm getting hyped on the idea of buying a PAR-1, I've been doing the research on ditching th pump and it looks like a fun first timer project that can be done in stages. First ditch the pump for bolt carrier with a charging handle, gas tube, sight/gas block, and furniture, to have a bolt action AK that looks just as evil as anything available in a free state. Then start buying all the compliance parts(and MMG), gas piston, FCG, compensator, once I have all the compliance parts, drill the hole in the barrel and have a sweet semi-auto AK to be proud of.

Does that sound right? Probably cost more than just buying a WASR, but seems like more fun, plus it will mean more experience with the internals.
I think so to.
I allready have a nice romy kit laying around so I have all the parts right?? anyway I will be getting my par-1 in 10 days...
thanks for the info on the stock.I like the looks of it(romy)..
Is it that bad to shoot?...i REALLY want to get a yugo underfolder..maybe next on my lis if its legal in cali...
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