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Old 02-14-2013, 9:46 PM
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Do i have to DROS an 80 percent lower IF I decide to complete it?

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NO. IF YOU SEARCH THROUGH THE FORUM, YOU'LL FIND A POST WITH A LETTER FROM ATF REGARDING YOUR QUESTION.
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no... drill, mill, build.
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NO. IF YOU SEARCH THROUGH THE FORUM, YOU'LL FIND A POST WITH A LETTER FROM ATF REGARDING YOUR QUESTION.
I cant find it.. Can you help direct it to me?
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I cant find it.. Can you help direct it to me?
couldn't find the one on this forum but here's one from ar15.com

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DROS = Dealer Record of SALE. If it is ever sold or transfered, it will have to be DROSed in CA. Any ATF letter will NOT have anything to do with CA's DROS system or any other requirements by ANY STATE. Now, to answer your question, there is no requirement to register any firearm in CA except for RAWs and handguns which are being DROSed. So, there is definately no legal requirement in CA to DROS or register your homebuild in CA.
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FYI: You can't legally sell a homemade firearm.

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DROS = Dealer Record of SALE. If it is ever sold or transfered, it will have to be DROSed in CA. Any ATF letter will NOT have anything to do with CA's DROS system or any other requirements by ANY STATE. Now, to answer your question, there is no requirement to register any firearm in CA except for RAWs and handguns which are being DROSed. So, there is definately no legal requirement in CA to DROS or register your homebuild in CA.

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FYI: You can't legally sell a homemade firearm.
Not accurate. You cannot manufacture a firearm with the *intent* to sell it. But if you happen to decide to sell it, and it bears the required markings, such as a serial number, it may be sold.

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Old 02-15-2013, 8:20 AM
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Not accurate. There is no State or Federal "requirement" to serialize homemade guns. As a licensed FFL Dealer I've legally completed transfers on a older firearms with no serial numbers.

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Not accurate. You cannot manufacture a firearm with the *intent* to sell it. But if you happen to decide to sell it, and it bears the required markings, such as a serial number, it may be sold.

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FYI: You can't legally sell a homemade firearm.
FALSE. You can't build one with the intent to sell. You can build one for yourself, then later decide to sell it. Big difference.

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Not accurate. There is no State or Federal "requirement" to serialize homemade guns. As a licensed FFL Dealer I've legally completed transfers on a older firearms with no serial numbers.
Guns made before the GCA of 1968 do not require a serial number. Guns made after that do require is serial number IF they are going to be sold.

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So based upon the above and wanting a full understanding of the issue; let say hypothetically I have an 80% lower I mill out. Two years from now I decide I don't want it. Can I engrave a serial number, thereby giving it a "serial number" and then legally sell it to another person via dros'ing it with the FFL recording my dremeled serial number on the paperwork?

If so would I be legal if I gave a serial number that I create? ie: 12345?
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So based upon the above and wanting a full understanding of the issue; let say hypothetically I have an 80% lower I mill out. Two years from now I decide I don't want it. Can I engrave a serial number, thereby giving it a "serial number" and then legally sell it to another person via dros'ing it with the FFL recording my dremeled serial number on the paperwork?

If so would I be legal if I gave a serial number that I create? ie: 12345?
What you've described here is my understanding of what is permissable under current law.


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But never sell it man. There is no tracking of it. Big brother won't find it.
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FALSE. You can't build one with the intent to sell. You can build one for yourself, then later decide to sell it. Big difference.



Guns made before the GCA of 1968 do not require a serial number. Guns made after that do require is serial number IF they are going to be sold.

Just shows that even FFLs are confused about gun laws.
Thanks Ron. I have spent countless hours researching all the legalities of homebuilds including talking with numerous ATF agents at SHOT Shows over the last ten years. So, I'm glad you responded to the poster who failed firearms 101 before I saw his comments. I wouldn't have been quite as polite as you were. I have no problem being corrected and openly admitting my mistakes but, I do have issues when those who think they know something just because of their profession credentials and try to correct already correct information with their misguided and incorrect beliefs.
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