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Old 01-18-2013, 7:50 PM
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Question Kel-Tec PF9

Was Really Excited to buy one until i read this online:

THIS GUN IS NOT ON THE CALIF DOJ APPROVED HANDGUN LIST - we cannot ship to CALIF unless your Law Enforcement and able to produce LE credentials.

Whats up why is it not legal unless your a LEO ?
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Old 01-18-2013, 8:15 PM
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Don't worry, you aren't missing out. KelTec pistols are complete garbage.

If you really feel the need to have something similar buy yourself a Ruger LC9. It's the exact same gun when you get down to the design and function. They added a few of those "save you from yourself" safety features and they offer better warranty service and will pay for the shipping if you ever need service, versus long wait times, crumby service and paying your own shipping with KelTec.

Ask me how I know about KT customer service...
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That's funny- most KT owners rave about their customer service (myself included).
I had a minor issue with a .380 magazine and they sent me a new one free- didn't even have to send the old one back. And the P3AT is NOT on the CA approved list either- they didn't turn their back on me like some of the 'not for sale in CA' companies.

If you're willing to put some elbow grease into it and do a fluff and buff job (look it up), their pistols work great.

I handled an LC9, compared to the PF9 it's a top heavy over safetied brick. The slide feels like pot metal- it could just be the finish, but the mass and feel reminded me of a Bryco or Davis.

So far my PF9 has been 100% reliable with anything including +p 9mm JHP rounds.

The saddest thing- the LC9 and LCP are COPIES of the Kel-Tecs. Though I wouldn't mind owning an LCP- it's almost identical to the P3AT whereas the LC9 is heavier and bulkier in the hand.

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Old 01-18-2013, 9:26 PM
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Just get the LC9 instead.
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As a form of protest over CA's "unsafe handgun" laws, Kel-Tec pulled out of the CA handgun market.
Which is the reason why no Kel-Tec handguns are on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale.
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Old 01-20-2013, 7:24 PM
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I'll look into the lc9. Thanks everyone :thumbup:
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You aren't missing out on anything. I bought my Father a pf-9, it came from the factory with an out of spec trigger bar. It also wouldn't work with any type of ammo including FMJ practice ammo.

One of my Fathers friends bought the same gun after I did. He had the same exact reliability issues with ammo. Unlike us, he sent his back to the factory twice and then ended up selling it just like we did. I feel sorry for the poor soul that about either of those two guns.

I would look into a kahr, or M&P shield.
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You aren't missing out on anything. I bought my Father a pf-9, it came from the factory with an out of spec trigger bar. It also wouldn't work with any type of ammo including FMJ practice ammo.

One of my Fathers friends bought the same gun after I did. He had the same exact reliability issues with ammo. Unlike us, he sent his back to the factory twice and then ended up selling it just like we did. I feel sorry for the poor soul that about either of those two guns.

I would look into a kahr, or M&P shield.
Kahr p380 looks nice
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Don't worry, you aren't missing out. KelTec pistols are complete garbage.

If you really feel the need to have something similar buy yourself a Ruger LC9. It's the exact same gun when you get down to the design and function. They added a few of those "save you from yourself" safety features and they offer better warranty service and will pay for the shipping if you ever need service, versus long wait times, crumby service and paying your own shipping with KelTec.

Ask me how I know about KT customer service...
Actually, in my personal experience they were awesome.
I had just gotten a PF9 and I flew with it across the country in an SKB hard case. Some other contents managed to slide out of their slots and the slide got a chunk of cerakote taken out of it.
They sold me to send them the slide and they would refinish it for free (even though it was my fault the paint job got damaged).
I would call that pretty above and beyond. I never sent it in because it didn't really bother me though.

The only better CS I've experienced is Springfield Armory. They're the best in the industry.

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That's funny- most KT owners rave about their customer service (myself included).
I had a minor issue with a .380 magazine and they sent me a new one free- didn't even have to send the old one back. And the P3AT is NOT on the CA approved list either- they didn't turn their back on me like some of the 'not for sale in CA' companies.

If you're willing to put some elbow grease into it and do a fluff and buff job (look it up), their pistols work great.

I handled an LC9, compared to the PF9 it's a top heavy over safetied brick. The slide feels like pot metal- it could just be the finish, but the mass and feel reminded me of a Bryco or Davis.

So far my PF9 has been 100% reliable with anything including +p 9mm JHP rounds.

The saddest thing- the LC9 and LCP are COPIES of the Kel-Tecs. Though I wouldn't mind owning an LCP- it's almost identical to the P3AT whereas the LC9 is heavier and bulkier in the hand.

-Dave
Exactly. I've owned an LCP as well and love Ruger handguns.
I also would prefer the PF9 over the LC9 with the extra "safety" features.

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As a form of protest over CA's "unsafe handgun" laws, Kel-Tec pulled out of the CA handgun market.
Which is the reason why no Kel-Tec handguns are on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale.
That is awesome.
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I purchased a brand new PF9, took it to the range, and fired 18 rds. Every single shot dumped the magazine no matter how I gripped the gun. This caused some malfunctions as well. I took the gun back to the shop I bought it from. They fired 3 rds with same experience. Offered to send it back to KT and fix it or give my money back minus ffl, I chose the latter...
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Kel-Tec's customer service was EXCELLENT for me. They stand behind their products.
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if you know an le officer that your close with they can buy it then ttransfer it to you, so basicly once an officer buys it then they can sell it to who ever they want as long as its ppt, no shipping. as far as i know its just the same as selling a pre/off roster gun.
but this is just what iv heard no experiance but prety acurate sorce
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if you know an le officer that your close with they can buy it then ttransfer it to you, so basicly once an officer buys it then they can sell it to who ever they want as long as its ppt, no shipping. as far as i know its just the same as selling a pre/off roster gun.
but this is just what iv heard no experiance but prety acurate sorce
What if I gave the le the $ he or she purchases the pistol than gives it to me of course using the correct way of transferring a firearm.?
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What if I gave the le the $ he or she purchases the pistol than gives it to me of course using the correct way of transferring a firearm.?
So you want to have an LE risk their job and possible jail time to get a cheap POS pistol?

Even if you go through the proper transfer to you it wouldn't change the fact that he bought the gun with the intention of transferring it to someone who could not legally purchase it.
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So you want to have an LE risk their job and possible jail time to get a cheap POS pistol?

Even if you go through the proper transfer to you it wouldn't change the fact that he bought the gun with the intention of transferring it to someone who could not legally purchase it.
Wait a second, I didn't mean it like that.
I'm just going to stick with what is approved by the DOJ in California.
Thanks to those who gave great advice.
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