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Old 02-06-2013, 9:08 PM
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Came across this story in another gun forum -

In stockton it took DOJ agents 5 hours to confiscate 5 guns from convicted felons, yet not a one was escorted out in fancy braclets....

It would seem to me that if you want to send a message - throw their *****es in jail....

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Old 02-06-2013, 9:28 PM
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Agreed about the jail time but this is an ongoing program, this didn't just start. No one wants to pay more taxes to get these guns out of the hands of these felons, so, it is what it is.
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Old 02-06-2013, 9:34 PM
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No room in jails in n CA. Ask Jerry Brown, he's pissed at the feds for not letting us increase the prison population.
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Agreed about the jail time but this is an ongoing program, this didn't just start. No one wants to pay more taxes to get these guns out of the hands of these felons, so, it is what it is.
I believe that Californians would rather see more criminals on the street and fewer in jail. Good luck trying to get funding for expanding the prison system. Wasn't three strikes weakened by referendum primarily as a cost cutting measure? Haven't they started releasing criminals from the prison system in order to free up space and save money?

This state is bankrupt, both morally and financially, and it never ceases to amaze me that no matter how much debt spending the state piles on, all the drones go around wanting the government to tax and spend even more.

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Agreed, odd these parole violations didn't end with some additional incarations...
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Legalize marijuana. I don't want to pay to keep pot heads in jail.
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I believe that Californians would rather see more criminals on the street and fewer in jail. Good luck trying to get funding for expanding the prison system. Wasn't three strikes weakened by referendum primarily as a cost cutting measure? Haven't they started releasing criminals from the prison system in order to free up space and save money?

This state is bankrupt, both morally and financially, and it never ceases to amaze me that no matter how much debt spending the state piles on, all the drones go around wanting the government to tax and spend even more.

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Good points. I have no clue why we are releasing people but unable to get guns out of the hands of felons when we KNOW where they are. Unbelievable.
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Came across this story in another gun forum -

In stockton it took DOJ agents 5 hours to confiscate 5 guns from convicted felons, yet not a one was escorted out in fancy braclets....

It would seem to me that if you want to send a message - throw their *****es in jail....

Steve

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Well get your butt to Stockton and show them the right way to do it!!!

Five guns in five hours probably isn't too far out of line, considering they have to drive from house to house, search each house, log the evidence, etc...

The felons likely already have a court date and will be back in prison soon
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This is all bull****, softening up the public to applaud gun confiscation.
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This is all bull****, softening up the public to applaud gun confiscation.
It's been going on a long time. Only getting press now. They can't handle the felons, there certainly isn't enough man power to do anythign else. No need for the just yet I don't think.
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I believe that Californians would rather see more criminals on the street and fewer in jail. Good luck trying to get funding for expanding the prison system. Wasn't three strikes weakened by referendum primarily as a cost cutting measure? Haven't they started releasing criminals from the prison system in order to free up space and save money?

This state is bankrupt, both morally and financially, and it never ceases to amaze me that no matter how much debt spending the state piles on, all the drones go around wanting the government to tax and spend even more.

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We already have the country's largest prison population. The prison industrial complex doesn't need any more money. It needs less inmates. Legalize drugs, don't imprison people for victimless crimes and voila, prison problem solved.
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I believe that Californians would rather see more criminals on the street and fewer in jail. Good luck trying to get funding for expanding the prison system. Wasn't three strikes weakened by referendum primarily as a cost cutting measure? Haven't they started releasing criminals from the prison system in order to free up space and save money?

This state is bankrupt, both morally and financially, and it never ceases to amaze me that no matter how much debt spending the state piles on, all the drones go around wanting the government to tax and spend even more.

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i think this only applied to non violent drug related third strikers but im not 100% on that. I also have a coworker whos bf's brother is supposed to be getting out of prison and thats his situation.

I dont understand how these guys didnt end up back in jail.
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i think this only applied to non violent drug related third strikers but im not 100% on that. I also have a coworker whos bf's brother is supposed to be getting out of prison and thats his situation.

I dont understand how these guys didnt end up back in jail.
It applied to non-violent 3rd strike convictions. Yes, you can felony assault the first two times, but as long as you are only caught on a drug related offense the third time, you're out. Nice way to put gang members back on the street.
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I thought possession of a firearm by a felon is a federal offense. Why does the State of California have to house them? The Feds need to get off their *** and do their job?
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Legalize marijuana. I don't want to pay to keep pot heads in jail.
The potheads aren't the ones in jail/prison, its the dealers. Possession of an ounce or less was decriminalized years ago, it was the last thing Arnold signed.
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I thought Stockon was a LEO free zone.
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We already have the country's largest prison population. The prison industrial complex doesn't need any more money. It needs less inmates. Legalize drugs, don't imprison people for victimless crimes and voila, prison problem solved.
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We already have the country's largest prison population. The prison industrial complex doesn't need any more money. It needs less inmates. Legalize drugs, don't imprison people for victimless crimes and voila, prison problem solved.
If the goal is to reduce the number of inmates, the state should start with the ones on death row. Flip the switch and turn on the vacancy sign.
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I thought possession of a firearm by a felon is a federal offense. Why does the State of California have to house them? The Feds need to get off their *** and do their job?
The Feds won't even keep people from jumping the border illegally. That's the actual job of the federal government per the constitution.
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We already have the country's largest prison population. The prison industrial complex doesn't need any more money. It needs less inmates. Legalize drugs, don't imprison people for victimless crimes and voila, prison problem solved.
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The potheads aren't the ones in jail/prison, its the dealers. Possession of an ounce or less was decriminalized years ago, it was the last thing Arnold signed.
But if it were legal,the ones selling it wouldn't be criminals so there would still be more room for real criminals in the pokey.
If they started executions we could free up some space too
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no need for a tinfoil hat this has been going on for a while. i think i saw a story last year about the same program. they are only going after people who are prohibited from owning firearms, but still own them. they will never be able to keep up with the list though.
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What pisses me off is the part that 3000 new felons with guns are added to the list each year. They're talking about felons they already know own guns. When they're convicted they already have them in custody, why don't they go get their guns at that very instant?

If it were you or me they'd confiscate our guns the minute we were suspected of something let alone arrested or convicted.
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The Feds won't even keep people from jumping the border illegally. That's the actual job of the federal government per the constitution.
Gee, somebody else actually gets it. If the feds are not going to enforce the immigration laws, get rid of the whole Immigration Department, save me some tax dollars. Or, is that Department some kind of welfare to work job employing people?

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What pisses me off is the part that 3000 new felons with guns are added to the list each year. They're talking about felons they already know own guns. When they're convicted they already have them in custody, why don't they go get their guns at that very instant?

If it were you or me they'd confiscate our guns the minute we were suspected of something let alone arrested or convicted.
Law abiding gun owners are easier to push around, criminals just ignore the law. Your rulers know what is best for you. And if you do not obey, you will be arrested.
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It's been going on a long time. Only getting press now. They can't handle the felons, there certainly isn't enough man power to do anythign else. No need for the just yet I don't think.
I guess you have failed to read the sticky at the top of this page called DOJ delay. Welcome to the new way to prevent firearm ownership make it such a burden that nobody tries let alone gets a firearm. Just keep creating issue, not enough man power, not enough money, someone has your exact name, DOB, and SS, so we can't allow you to buy a firearm. So sorry you can't have one, just call the police.
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We already have the country's largest prison population. The prison industrial complex doesn't need any more money. It needs less inmates. Legalize drugs, don't imprison people for victimless crimes and voila, prison problem solved.
Unfortunately though, drug users lose their heads and commit other crimes. Some to buy or obtain more drugs that they can't afford, and some because the drugs start having a more profound effect on their brains after repeated or increased use. Increasing access by legalization will result in an increase in crime, although not for possession, but worse crimes, in the near future, and probably would end up dwarfing those possession convicts.....the victimless ones you refer to. Keeping drugs from the wrong hands is as important as keeping guns from the wrong hands, with the exception that guns do not inherently make changes in peoples' brain chemistry
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It applied to non-violent 3rd strike convictions. Yes, you can felony assault the first two times, but as long as you are only caught on a drug related offense the third time, you're out. Nice way to put gang members back on the street.
Everything is a felony these days (or the police can make it into one). Going away for life ough to be for something that actually warrants going to jail for life.
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The Feds won't even keep people from jumping the border illegally. That's the actual job of the federal government per the constitution.
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Gee, somebody else actually gets it. If the feds are not going to enforce the immigration laws, get rid of the whole Immigration Department, save me some tax dollars. Or, is that Department some kind of welfare to work job employing people?



Law abiding gun owners are easier to push around, criminals just ignore the law. Your rulers know what is best for you. And if you do not obey, you will be arrested.
The feds are slowly changing the scope of the immigration enforcement agencies to inspection of goods and services. Our forum has an RSS feed from the Border Batrol, and each day they print out records of how many busts they've made of people trying to slip knock of Levi's or Disney toys past this nations iron borders. They do toss a few child molester busts in for good measure too, but it's astounding how much effort is aimed at protecting copyright/patents of big corps as opposed to the security of individual Americans. That latter theme you mentioned also applies to "unauthorized entry" as well. If you obey the law, you wait your turn in the system, but those that don't are ignored, and at this point, they become the reason we need "reform". The difference is in this case though, the feds let illegals run free to make a case for the "needed reform" to increase the amount of immigrants, while they let violent crime loose to make a case for "needed reforms" to decrease rights
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Considering that 25% or more of inmates are illegal aliens, maybe we ought to make a deal with Mexico to ship their citizens back to serve their sentences in a Mexican prison. We could pay Mexico to keep them in prison and it would cost us a lot less than keeping them in American prisons. Having to serve their sentences in a Mexican prison would be a good deterant as well.
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If the policy and attitude to begin with was:

"Felons who have been released with sentences served automatically have their rights restored..."

This wouldn't be necessary to begin with. All that time an energy could be spent stopping crimes in progress, and solving those crimes yet to be solved.

If freed Felons are behaving to begin with - why bother them? If they misbehave again, well that's what the Second Amendment is for - stopping 'em in their tracks like any other criminal.

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If the policy and attitude to begin with was:

"Felons who have been released with sentences served automatically have their rights restored..."

This wouldn't be necessary to begin with. All that time an energy could be spent stopping crimes in progress, and solving those crimes yet to be solved.

If freed Felons are behaving to begin with - why bother them? If they misbehave again, well that's what the Second Amendment is for - stopping 'em in their tracks like any other criminal.

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this is the program they want to raid the DROS surplus to fund more agents.
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Tent city, it works in Arizona...
Agreed. I would rather see them out on work parties than sitting around conspiring on future crimes. Make them go out and work to improve communities, fight fires, road projects or some other meaningful work to improve the state. Just locking them up doesn't work. I think a tent city out in the Mojave would at least pursuede a few to follow the laws.
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This is all bull****, softening up the public to applaud gun confiscation.
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No room in jails in n CA. Ask Jerry Brown, he's pissed at the feds for not letting us increase the prison population.

How about cutting some of the welfare and building another Jail or 20
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5.5 hours to seize 5 guns with how many agents? This is what I keep saying, it's logistically impossible for them to get the guns from the estimated 40,000 criminals in the state that are in possession. There is no way in HELL they're going to confiscate them from us, it is a logistical impossibility.
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Every one of those felons cited probably had guns back at their disposal within a half an hour. Family, friends, and black market dealers for the heavier stuff are teh ones that need some tent city time down in Arizona. Jery wants to cut the prison costs let the old sheriff down there house them. he makes money and they never want to go back.
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