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Old 02-03-2013, 10:57 AM
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I agree too, while it would'nt be my first choice a .22 pistol or rifle would be very comforting in my hand if SHTF. I bet a lot of households have a .22 for SD. Ask yourself would you rush into a house if you knew someone inside was armed with a .22.
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I have shot a few coyotes with stingers and they all died pretty quick. They usually would drop down at the shot, stumble a few yards and die. They were all shot at about 10 yards way. I was shooting them to keep them out of the barn area of the ranch I worked on. I have taught my wife to use the 10/22 for SD. When we shoot it, she knows to shoot in three round burst. She can keep all three in a fist sized pattern at 10 to 15 yards. This is better for her than the shotgun she refused to shoot. I am not going to volunteer to see how lethal this theory is.
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Way back in the last century, when I went to arrest fugitives, who were hiding in a motel or hotel, besides my service revolver, I carried a 10-22 with a folding stock.
If there was to be shooting on my part, I didn't want any rounds going through a wall.
Once, an officer said, The .22 makes small holes." I replied, "I have a 30 round magazine, it will make a lot of small holes."
So how quick did you end the fight when you shot a suspect with your 10-22.
Please give details. Shot placement, rounds fired, number of hits etc. would be helpful for those of us that think going after a bad guy with a 10-22 is a really bad idea, regardless of the penetration issues.
Would also be nice to know which department gave you their blessing to use a 10-22 for the scenario you explained.
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I work 24 hour shifts so I am gone at night a lot. Thanks to my wonderful mother in law, my 40 year old wife is still a little uncomfortable with guns. I have taught her to shoot and have plenty of "better" home defense choices on hand. Unfortunately, most are just too much gun for her comfort level. The compromise we have come to is that if someone breaks in, she locks the door, gets the .22 pistol from the gunvault bolted to the wall behind the nightstand, calls 911 and while she is on hold for 5 minutes she yells that she has a gun and is on the phone with 911. Then fires a round into a couple of pillows on the floor. It's not going to richochet off the carpet (in the upstairs bedroom), and I believe it will be enough to scare anyone away. I think it's HIGHLY unlikely that anyone will willingly come up the stairs knowing there's someone at the top with a gun that isn't afraid to use it. Is this the perfect solution? Hell no. Will it be effective? I think so. After she fires the first round she sits in the corner with the pistol pointed at the door and 911 on the phone. Anyone that comes through the door gets one to the chest (or as many as she can get off). It might not stop the coked-out-homicidal-schizophrenic axe murderer bent on a serial killing spree, but frankly I'm not too worried about that. The most likely scenario (which is still extremely unlikely in my opinion) is a quick smash and grab intruder. The best defense I have against them is a couple of big dogs. If they still come in and I am home, then I go to the 12 gauge.
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Then fires a round into a couple of pillows on the floor. It's not going to richochet off the carpet (in the upstairs bedroom), and I believe it will be enough to scare anyone away. I think it's HIGHLY unlikely that anyone will willingly come up the stairs knowing there's someone at the top with a gun that isn't afraid to use it.
Firing warning shots is a no-no.
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Well not to double post In a thread but even without a great shot placement a 22 will kill, my uncle was murdered with one 10 years ago. A 22 will end a life the question you should be asking is will a 22 stop a threat long enough for me to get away from the threat. A 22 will take longer to stop a threat then a 44mag either by milliseconds, seconds, or minutes. How long is the fight In your heart to survive against an armed threat and how much are you willing to train. If someone who has a 45 is never willing to train are they still better off then someone with a 22 who practices gun retention, mag changes, rapid action drills , close firing, distance firing. As per personal experience a 22 will drop a man the real question is how much training should You commit to defending my life.

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Please do tell us your experience about defending yourself with a 22.
I'm not even close to suggesting it can't or doesn't happen, I'm questioning given a choice, weather it's a good idea vs larger calibers.
If you are going to make a choice for a defense caliber, a 22 is a very bad idea in almost every case. The guy who spoke of his wife being perticurally noise and recoil shy, practicing with a 22 will probably de sensitize her. If you have a fear of your weapon or pulling the trigger on a human life, maybe a gun isn't a good idea. Yes people die from 22 gunshots every day, so what, if I have a choice I wouldn't even think of using it.
We all have a right to decide for ourselves. It's a very personal choice, just don't give people the impression 22's are "the right choice".
Another thing I keep seeing is putting X amount of shots into the perps 10 ring (usually more than 10 shots). What makes you think the perp is going to be standing still letting you perform such a task?

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You people are high if you seriously think you'll be making accurate "eye socket" shots in a high stress situation.

I keep a 22/45 and a brick of ammo in my BOB for killing small game, in my opinion that is all it's good for.
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What bothers me about some of these posts is that there is to much "knowledge",not enough real life experience.

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Yes, most of us have not been unfortunate enough to have to use a gun in self defense. That's why I keep asking for particulars. PM me if you don't want to post on an open forum. I'll even give you my email address and phone number for communication if you like.
What we are talking about is effectiveness of the 22lr for defense and "choosing" it over other larger calibers.
Poachers use AK47's to kill Elephants all the time in Africa. Does this mean it's promoted as a good idea?

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Handgun Cartridge Power Chart

By Chuck Hawks


Caliber Load Bullet MV (fps) ME (ft. lbs.) Penetration (10% gel.) AIT (goats at Strasbourg) One Shot Stop % Test Brl.
.22LR CCI, Rem, Win Hi.Vel. 40gr.LRN 955 81 12.8" n/a 21% unk.
.22LR CCI,Rem,Win Hi.Vel. 37grLHP 975 78 10.3" n/a 29% unk.
.22LR Rem. Yellow Jacket 33gr.TCHP 1259 116 n/a n/a 33% 6" Colt
.22LR CCI Stinger 32gr.LHP 1262 113 9.8" n/a 34% 6" Colt
.22WMR CCI +V 30gr.HP 1450 140 9.2" n/a 40% unk.
.22WMR CCI +V 30gr.HP 1300 120 n/a n/a n/a 2" NAA
.22WMR Winchester 40gr.JHP 1400 174 13" n/a 42% 6.5" Ruger
.22WMR Winchester 40gr.JHP 1098 108 n/a n/a n/a 2" NAA
.22WMR Federal 50gr.JHP 817 74 n/a n/a n/a 2" NAA
.25ACP Winchester 45gr.Ex.Pt. 815 66 13.8" n/a 25% 2" test
.25ACP All 50gr.FMJ 760 64 18" n/a 23% unk.
.25ACP MagSafe Defender 22gr.Frag. 1610 n/a 6" n/a 41%est. 2.5" test
.32ACP Winchester 60gr.STHP 970 125 6.5" n/a 63% 3.2" Wthr.
.32ACP Magsafe Defender 50gr.Frag. 1250 191 7.8" n/a 57%est. 3.5" test
.380ACP Federal 90gr.JHP 1005 200 14.4" 11.06 sec. 69% 3.6" SIG
.380ACP Rem. Golden Saber 102gr.JHP 925 194 9.4" n/a 64% 3.6" SIG
.380ACP Remington 88gr.JHP 1000 195 12.8" 13.46 sec. 54% 3.6" SIG
.380ACP Federal Hydra-Shok 90gr.JHP 1007 200 10.5" 10.94 sec. 69% 3.6" SIG
.380ACP Cor-Bon +P 90gr.JHP 1041 217 9" 11.12 sec. 70% 3.6" SIG
.380ACP Fed, Rem, Win. 95gr.FMJ 955 190 17" 22.8 sec. 51% 3.6" SIG
.380ACP CCI Gold Dot 90gr.JHP 1030 212 8" n/a 67% 3.6" SIG
.380ACP Glaser Blue 70gr.Frag. 1313 268 5" 7.94 sec. 75% 3.6" SIG
.38Spec. Winchester +P 158gr.LHP 790 280 15.2" n/a 67% 2" S&W
.38Spec. Federal, Rem, Win. 158gr.RNL 587 200 n/a 46.58 sec. 49% 2" S&W
.38Spec. Remington +P 158gr.LHP 776 211 n/a 15.52 sec. 65% 2" S&W
.38Spec. Glaser Blue 80gr.Frag. 1350 400 6" n/a 77%est. 2" S&W
.38Spec. Cor-Bon +P 115gr.JHP 1243 395 14.2" 8.98 sec. 83% 4" S&W
.38Spec. Glaser Blue +P 80gr.Frag. 1667 494 7" 4.72 sec. 84%est. 4" S&W
.38Spec Winchester +P 158gr.LHP 996 342 15.2" 10.76 sec. 78% 4" S&W
.38Spec. Federal +P 125gr.JHP 945 248 12.2" n/a 73% 4" S&W
.38Spec. Federal, Rem, Win. 158gr.RNL 708 176 28.5" 33.68 sec. 52% 4" S&W
.38Spec. Remington +P 125gr.SJHP 1008 280 11.1" 11.74 sec. 69% 4" Colt
9x19 Glaser Blue 80gr.Frag. 1555 430 6" 7.42 sec. 94%est. 4" S&W
9x19 Cor-Bon +P 115gr.JHP 1321 454 14.2" 8.92 sec. 91% 4" Glock
9x19 MagSafe Stealth +P 64gr.Frag. 1950 461 10" 4.74 sec. 90%est. 4.25" SIG
9x19 Winchester 115gr.STHP 1225 383 8" n/a 83% unk.
9x19 Rem.Golden Saber+P 124gr.JHP 1180 384 12" n/a 83% unk.
9x19 Remington +P 115gr.JHP 1288 399 12.7" 8.98 sec. 89% 4" S&W
9x19 Federal 115gr.JHP 1175 341 14.5" 9.36 sec. 81% 4" S&W
.38Super Remington +P 115gr.JHP 1300 431 n/a n/a 88% 5" test
.357Mag. Glaser Blue 80gr.Frag. 1687 505 6" 4.82 sec. 89%est. 4" S&W
.357Mag. Federal 110gr.JHP 1295 410 10" n/a 90% 4" S&W
.357Mag. Federal 125gr.JHP 1442 580 13.3" 7.44 sec. 96% 4" S&W
.357Mag. Remington 125gr.SJHP 1468 583 13" 7.34 sec. 96% 4" Colt
.357Mag. Rem.Golden Saber MV 125gr.JHP 1220 413 13" n/a 84% 4" S&W
.357Mag. Remington Med.Vel. 125gr.SJHP 1205 413 15.5" 7.94 sec. 83% 4" Colt
.40S&W Glaser Blue 105gr.Frag 1449 490 6" 5.34 sec. 91%est. 4" S&W
.40S&W Cor-Bon 135gr.JHP 1300 507 9.8" n/a 96% 4" S&W
.40S&W MagSafe Defender +P 84gr.Frag> 1800 n/a 13" n/a 91% 4" S&W
.40S&W Federal Hydra-Shok 180gr.JHP 950 361 15" 8.32 sec. 89% 4" S&W
.40S&W Federal Hydra-Shok 155gr.JHP 1140 448 13.3" n/a 94% 4" S&W
.40S&W Rem.Golden Saber 165gr.JHP 1150 485 12" n/a 94% 4" S&W
.40S&W Remington 155gr.JHP 1140 447 n/a 8.40 sec. 86%est. 4" S&W
10mm Winchester 175gr.STHP 1250 607 12.8" n/a 92% 4.25" S&W
10mm Glaser Blue 105gr.Frag. 1624 615 n/a 7.60 sec. n/a 4.25" S&W
10mm Winchester 180gr.JHP 1055 445 15.5" n/a 82% 4.25" S&W
10mm Federal Hydra-Shok 180gr.JHP 980 383 15" n/a 87% 4.25" S&W
.41Mag. Winchester 210gr.JHP 1300 789 17.5" n/a 82% 4" S&W
.41Mag. Winchester 175gr.STHP 1250 608 14" n/a 89% 4" S&W
.44Spec. Remington 240gr.LSWC 851 384 n/a n/a 64% 4" S&W
.44Spec. Cor-Bon +P 180gr.JHP 1000 400 14.2" n/a 86% 4" S&W
.44Spec. MagSafe Defender 92gr.Frag. 1620 n/a 9.5" n/a 92%est. 4" S&W
.44Spec. Winchester 200gr.STHP 819 298 10.4" n/a 75% 4" S&W
.44Mag. MagSafe Urban 115gr.Frag. 1620 n/a 11" n/a 93%est. 4" S&W
.44Mag. Cor-Bon 180gr. Urban 1200 576 15.3" n/a 90% 4" S&W
.44Mag. Eldorado Starfire 240gr.JHP 1180 743 14.8" n/a 91% 4" S&W
.44Mag. Winchester 210gr.STHP 1301 788 15.1" n/a 90% 4" S&W
.45ACP Glaser Blue 140gr.Frag. 1355 571 n/a 4.72 sec. n/a 5" Colt
.45ACP Federal Hydra-Shok 230gr.JHP 819 366 13.3" 8.40 sec. 94% 5" Colt
.45ACP MagSafe Defender 96gr.Frag. 1660 n/a 10" n/a 93%est. 5" Colt
.45ACP Federal 185gr.JHP 1001 411 13.6" 9.24 sec. 87% 5" Colt
.45ACP Cor-bon +P 185gr.JHP 1150 544 11.3" n/a 92% 5" Colt
.45ACP Fed, Rem, Win. 230 FMJ 839 360 27" 13.84 sec. 63% 5" Colt
.45ACP CCI-Speer 200gr.JHP 975 422 9.4" n/a 88% 5" Colt
.45ACP Remington +P 185gr.JHP 1129 519 17.1" 7.98 sec. 86% 5" Colt
.45Colt Winchester 225gr.STHP 920 423 13.5" n/a 74% 4" S&W
.45Colt Federal 225LHP 900 405 19.5" n/a 78% 4" S&W
.45Colt Cor-Bon +P 200gr.JHP 1100 537 9" n/a 92% 4" S&W

Please Note: The above data is drawn from various sources including the book Handgun Stopping Power by Marshall and Sanow, and various articles in magazines such as Handguns. To order the latest books by Marshall and Sanow, follow my link to Evan Marshal's Stopping Power web page.

For experienced shooters the headings of most of the columns above are self-explanatory. For everyone else: "Caliber" is the common name of the cartridge tested; "Load" is the brand of ammunition tested; "Bullet" is the weight (in grains) and configuration (JHP, for instance, means jacketed hollow point) of the bullet; "MV" is the standard abbreviation for muzzle velocity; "ME" is the abbreviation for muzzle energy; "Penetration (10% gel)" is the measured penetration of the bullet when fired into a block of standard ordinance gelatin, which is used to simulate soft tissue; "AIT (goats at Strasbourg)" refers to a famous European experiment where a great many goats of the approximate size and cardio-vascular capacity of a human being were shot broadside through the lungs with a variety of handgun loads and the 'Average Incapacitation Time' (in seconds) from the shot until the animal's collapse was recorded; "One shot stop %" is the percentage of one shot stops in actual street shootings as culled from police records by Marshall and Sanow; "Test brl." means the length of the test pistol's barrel.

For an expanded version of this chart with more entries, see the "Expanded Handgun Power Chart" on the Tables, Charts and Lists Page.
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Old 02-04-2013, 8:24 AM
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CENTER OF MASS

You people are high if you seriously think you'll be making accurate "eye socket" shots in a high stress situation.

I keep a 22/45 and a brick of ammo in my BOB for killing small game, in my opinion that is all it's good for.
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Every time I see this conversation, I think of the time I was on-duty and did CPR on a young boy who got shot in the chest by a .22 and died.

Consider a storm of .22 coming down on you, not good. Not the best SD round, but just might do the trick.
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Old 02-04-2013, 9:10 AM
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Lately I've been recommending .22's to new shooters. Mostly M&P 15-22's, lcr's, sr22's and 10/22's for the following reasons.

1. Better than nothing

2. Low felt recoil especially for those with disabilities.

3. Ammo is cheap (or it was). Practice is important. New shooters need to shoot!! If they stick with it, they can always upgrade later.

4. Stingers and other high velocity ammo is available for defense if they really want. The Ruger LCR, 10/22, & SR22 seem reliable enough. The LCR has the edge for ease of cleaning and ability to quickly get past a dud round.

I don't think I've ever assisted in a shooting investigation with a .22. I can't add too much real world experience.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:13 AM
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Every time I see this conversation, I think of the time I was on-duty and did CPR on a young boy who got shot in the chest by a .22 and died.

Consider a storm of .22 coming down on you, not good. Not the best SD round, but just might do the trick.
I don't think anybody is arguing the fact that 22's can kill.
When it comes to a "defensive" round you want to end the threat NOW, not on the 25th shot, but the first.
We are talking about using a 22 as a defense round, not trying to ask if it can kill. If you are defending using a 22lr for defense over larger calibers, I guess we just cant get through to you. Go ahead and use it. Just be sure and tell that bad guy who is trying to kill you with his 45ACP to stand still so you can pump several rounds into him and wait for the results.
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I don't think anybody is arguing the fact that 22's can kill.
When it comes to a "defensive" round you want to end the threat NOW, not on the 25th shot, but the first.
We are talking about using a 22 as a defense round, not trying to ask if it can kill. If you are defending using a 22lr for defense over larger calibers, I guess we just cant get through to you. Go ahead and use it. Just be sure and tell that bad guy who is trying to kill you with his 45ACP to stand still so you can pump several rounds into him and wait for the results.
I'm done.
Agreed. This whole thread has become absurd. When you or your loved ones are in a life threatening situation your goal is not to eventually kill the bad guy. You goal is to immediately stop the bad guy from attacking.

The odds of stopping a bad guy with a .22 BEFORE he can start returning fire and essentially zero. I don't care how many little squirrel targets you can hit at 50 yards. You're not going to make a single shot kill in an SD/HD situation.
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Agreed. This whole thread has become absurd.
These .22lr defense threads nearly always do. Better than using bad language on a bad buy but not quite as good as a 12 gauge shotgun if your intention is to stop the threat. If one is serious about self defense, one should acquire the appropriate firearm. After all its one's life that is at risk so how much should one spend for self defense/home defense???
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I get a laugh when they say a .22 aint enough.How bout they stand in front of it and see how many rounds they can take.
Bet there would be no takers!

All about shot placement.
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I'm sure you would agree my sling shot is less effective than your 22. I'm sure you would not me let shoot you with it either.
What's your point?
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Firing warning shots is a no-no.
Speak for yourself. The goal is to convince them to leave my house. If they realize the homeowner is home and armed, they are going to scoot. If they decide to come into the bedroom then there will not be another warning shot.
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I don't think anybody is arguing the fact that 22's can kill.
When it comes to a "defensive" round you want to end the threat NOW, not on the 25th shot, but the first.
We are talking about using a 22 as a defense round, not trying to ask if it can kill. If you are defending using a 22lr for defense over larger calibers, I guess we just cant get through to you. Go ahead and use it. Just be sure and tell that bad guy who is trying to kill you with his 45ACP to stand still so you can pump several rounds into him and wait for the results.
I'm done.
Whoa bro, coming on me a little too strong? I am a 9mm guy and not pushing the .22 agenda here. I am just saying that it could work and if you can unleash a storm of .22, more power to you.

Relax bro, I'm on your side.
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I guess I can come on a little strong sometimes. Sorry about that.
I'm pretty passionate about this kind of thing. On an open forum where you have people seeking advise about defense guns and calibers, I don't want to mis lead anybody.
Firing warning shots and thinking you are going to control the situation is a little neive as well. Things rarely turn out the way we plan, we must adapt. We can't choose who is going to break into your home.
In 1980 my parents were involved in a pretty scary situation. Someone was knocking on the service porch door on the side of the house in the middle of the night. To get access to the door, this guy had to get over their 6' fence. My father grabbed a 38 revolver and confronted the guy on the other side of the door. He was warned my father was armed and my mother was calling the police. Then the guy knocked a solid core door off its hinges and came after my father. He was shot in the hip but didn't flee outside, he ducked behind a door. Three more shots were fired through the door but didn't connect. Knowing he was almost out of bullets my father was going to wait until the guy was right in front of him before he shot again. The guy came at him and collapsed on the kitchen floor. My father covered him until the police showed up.
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I'm still holding out for a 12 gauge shot gun with five rounds loaded.

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I will go for my BB .177 BB gun before anything else to scare away the intruder.
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If you have to defend yourself, the best gun choice is the closest loaded gun. Caliber arguments go out the window, and are for what you plan to keep loaded and available prior to needing to defend yourself.
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I recently defended my self with my 22/45 (CCI mini mags). The attacker was a paper target coming at me on a automatic target carrier durring 21 ft drills. Hit that scary SOB 7 out of 8 times.
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I recently attempted to work up a traumatic arrest secondary to a single .22lr round to the left lower chest wall. Dude suffered a left sided tension hemo/pnuemo and may have have a ripped aorta from the internal deflection of the round. That was just a single round, I can only imagine what multiple 22lr rounds in the kill zone would do.....Hey, but it's better than nothing, RIGHT???
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one 22 to the head and its done.
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I recently attempted to work up a traumatic arrest secondary to a single .22lr round to the left lower chest wall. Dude suffered a left sided tension hemo/pnuemo and may have have a ripped aorta from the internal deflection of the round. That was just a single round, I can only imagine what multiple 22lr rounds in the kill zone would do.....Hey, but it's better than nothing, RIGHT???
I tell people my similar story to above with a single .22 shot to the chest. If a .22 can do so much damage, I remind myself- yeah, a 9mm will also ruin our day.
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facts vs armchair commandos..... stats win


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It's in interesting chart. I suspect the overall results are really skewed because the majority of people do not fire once, pause to evaluate the results, then fire again when required. Almost everyone fires multiple rounds and stops only when the threat is on the ground.
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facts vs armchair commandos..... stats win


http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/handgun-stopping-power
There is something wrong with that chart... .22 > .38spl and 9mm and .22 = .357mag???

I'm pretty sure that's not accurate.

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John Hinckley used a .22 revolver in his attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan. With his six shots, he made James Brady (direct shot to head) an invalid and almost killed Reagan with a ricochet shot to his lung.

.22 spoiled a lot of lives that day.
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22lr is an excellent choice. Look at all the damage in the ballistic gel and all those folks killed with a 22lr. People seem to think it's a BB gun because it's has a soft recoil and isn't as loud and their ninja tactifool .45 ACP. The blast and flash of a centerfire round in a confined space like a hallway or bedroom is too much for most folks to handle.
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IMO, Any caliber is better than nothing. That said, If I had a choice, say in my Apt, it's gonna be a 12 Gauge. Would I use a .22 if I had to? Absolutely! In regards to "flash" I'd suggest taking a course with your AR, that involves limited/no light. I shot my Noveske in the dark & couldn't believe how effective the Hider was!!! NO problem with vision, or follow up shots. Rifles, Hiders & Ammo can & will vary.
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There are tons of opinions on this topic and i can only offer my thought.

1. If all I could reach or what was easiest to reach was a fully loaded 22LR, I would grab it and use it.

2. If I had a choice between grabbing a 22LR vs a shotgun or pistol in high caliber, I would reach for the shoutgun or pistol or carbine rifle

If you need to think it through to plan the right caliber and ammo combo, follow the link. They FBI has a very intense test criteria, please consider in your choice your living location (apartment, condo, other, cave) in the decision. You do not want over penetration.

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