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Old 01-17-2013, 7:41 PM
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Default 223 300aac 300 whisper powder

I was wondering if there a powder that work well with all 3 223 300aac blackout and 300 whisper?
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Old 01-17-2013, 8:38 PM
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I would like to know this also.
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First, 300BLK and 300 whisper are the same. Second, no.

300BLK tends to use pistol powder, like H110 and A1680. Pistol powder will blow up your rifle for .223.
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Old 01-17-2013, 9:21 PM
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IMR 4895 with 14+ grains will cycle 300 blk but only push the bullet at around 1400 fps *147gr bullet. 4895 will also certainly work well with 223.

Otherwise yes h110 or lil gun for 300 blk. The nice thing is if you reload for manigum pistols the powder can be shared here.

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I could not get a carbine gas system to reliably cycle a 150gr bullet under 1600fps.
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I could not get a carbine gas system to reliably cycle a 150gr bullet under 1600fps.
I apologize I checked over my log and it looks like my I had 17-18 grains of imr4895 under a compressed load to cycle it at speeds of 1300-1400 fps. I admit I only have roughly 20 shots in that range so I can't speak to its reliablity, but I am not showing any issues for those after 17 grains. Anything below had failures to cycle.
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Old 01-18-2013, 6:45 PM
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thanks guys. I know the 300aac is a shorter case and figured it would be a pistol load. Time to start working a sub sonic and super sonic load like I did fir the 300 whisper
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If you are willing to shoot 220 grain Sierras in the 300 at about 1050 FPS, then Hodgdon says you can use 4198 (either IMR or H) for ACC and .223. Not optimal though.

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AA1680 for the 7.62x35, but not for .223/5.56 sorry.
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I really wanted to try subs but I have not gotten around to buying cast bullets or trying to make my own.

If anyone in or near SF wants to buy an unopened 8lb jug of A1680 PM me.
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AA1680 for the 7.62x35, but not for .223/5.56 sorry.
Wow now that is a piece of lead!
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what weight bullets are you planning on shooting? H4198 may be suitable for heavy 7.62x35 and lighter 5.56. check the Hodgdon website
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I really wanted to try subs but I have not gotten around to buying cast bullets or trying to make my own.

If anyone in or near SF wants to buy an unopened 8lb jug of A1680 PM me.
Missouri bullet co makes a nice 245gr for the 300 aac. 1680 is my powder of choice for subsonic work. If I was inclined to drive 2 hours and get lost in one way streets, I would go pick up your jug.
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thanks guys. I know the 300aac is a shorter case and figured it would be a pistol load. Time to start working a sub sonic and super sonic load like I did fir the 300 whisper
umm if you already worked up loads for your Whisper you are pretty much there for the Blackout, most guys use Whisper data for the Blackout.
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I really wanted to try subs but I have not gotten around to buying cast bullets or trying to make my own.

If anyone in or near SF wants to buy an unopened 8lb jug of A1680 PM me.
Oh if only you were in LA, I haven't found 1680 anywhere

But OP I recommend that you use Ramshot tac for 55-75gr .223, it also works well with 308! For 300blk I use lil gun since it offers high velocity with lower pressure, it supposedly works subsonic as well but I've heard it may not cycle in a 16" carbine. I will load some up this week and see if it works. Too bad there isn't some voodoo powder that will work with everyhing
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not to OP but tried responding to a pm but it said you could not receive private messages, I don't know what that means but anyway to answer:


No I have not used Lil Gun for this lead bullet/weight it is on the heavy end, search around, save your Lil Gun and H110/W296 for lighter jacketed bullet weights, do a search for H110 kaboom .300 Whisper. Some people have had prob.s w/ them so I tend to stay away from those. However I believe Hodgdon does have some listed loads, but again mostly people use AA1680 or H4227 for heavier bullets, including jacketed, just seems to work better. I have a .300 Whisper by the way, Here is heavy bullet data from the online Hodgdon site: but for jacketed bullets. (LEE posts the exact data with their Blackout dies) What bullet weights are you trying?
220 GR. SIE HPBT IMR IMR 4198 .308" 2.260" 11.5 1036 25,300 CUP
220 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon H4198 .308" 2.260" 11.5 1068 25,600 CUP
220 GR. SIE HPBT IMR IMR 4227 .308" 2.260" 10.5 1014 28,800 CUP
220 GR. SIE HPBT Winchester 296 .308" 2.260" 9.9 1050 29,700 CUP
220 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon H110 .308" 2.260" 9.9 1050 29,700 CUP
220 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon Lil'Gun .308" 2.260" 9.0 1077 31,100 CUP
230 GR. BER TACT IMR IMR 4227 .308" 2.260" 10.2 1065 37,100 CUP
230 GR. BER TACT Winchester 296 .308" 2.260" 9.5 1085 34,500 CUP
230 GR. BER TACT Hodgdon H110 .308" 2.260" 9.5 1085 34,500 CUP
230 GR. BER TACT Hodgdon Lil'Gun .308" 2.260" 8.7 1077 28,900 CUP
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Old 02-01-2013, 8:23 PM
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I haven't found 1680 anywhere

But OP I recommend that you use Ramshot tac for 55-75gr .223, it also works well with 308! For 300blk I use lil gun since it offers high velocity with lower pressure, it supposedly works subsonic as well but I've heard it may not cycle in a 16" carbine. I will load some up this week and see if it works. Too bad there isn't some voodoo powder that will work with everyhing
If you are in IE try AmmoBros off of the I-15

agreed TAC is a good powder for .223,.308, and .30-.30!

There probably is a good powder for 7.62x35 but since there are both bolt action, single shot and semi auto platforms it won't work for everything

try searching .32-20 load data, old Whisper loaders found out that they are similar in case capacity etc, just mostly lighter bullets though.
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http://www.accuratepowder.com/wp-con...ckout_Data.pdf

Enforcer is made by Ramshot, who also makes TAC
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more reading. i like this forum better than 300blktalk, seem friendlier

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...gr-Lee-Powders
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Dude, blk and whisper are the same. Only the throat in the chamber is slightly longer. Just use your whisper loads.
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