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Old 01-26-2013, 12:29 AM
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Default Unlocking smartphones without permission illegal after Friday

did anyone see this ?

what a bunch of BS once a phone is paid for or contract has expired, you still have to get "permission" to unlock your own phone ? i dont even do cell phones and it piss's me off the DMCA needs to go grrrrrrrrr ...

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A change to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act that makes it illegal for consumers to unlock their mobile devices without the permission of their carrier goes into effect Saturday.
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Doesn't affect rooting or jailbreaking.

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Doesn't affect rooting or jailbreaking.

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it does if you "unlock" the carrier

ETA Jailbreaking is legal for enhancement of s/w not unlocking the sim
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A common method for unlocking smartphones requires jailbreaking, for iPhones, or rooting on Android devices. This is a means of removing the manufacturer’s limitations on software to allow the end user more options in what they can run on their device. On Apple devices, this generally means sideloading third-party apps not available in the App Store (something already possible with Android devices), or apps that require more access to the phone’s hardware systems. While potentially warranty-voiding, jailbreaking is a completely legal exemption under the DMCA, thanks in no small part to the efforts of the nonprofit advocacy group Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF). (We interviewed EFF’s Andrew Huang just a year ago about this very precept).
http://ifixit.org/4114/say-goodbye-to-legal-unlocking/
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I paid good money for my smart phone. I own my smart phone. I'll do with it what I damn well please.
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I do not own or carry a GPS beacon..
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I paid good money for my smart phone. I own my smart phone. I'll do with it what I damn well please.
only if you ask nicely, otherwise you will be breaking the law (DMCA) after today ....

i once was a "hardware hacker" and this piss's me off i agree i own what i pay for and should be able to do with it what i want .....
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it does if you "unlock" the carrier

ETA Jailbreaking is legal for enhancement of s/w not unlocking the sim
http://ifixit.org/4114/say-goodbye-to-legal-unlocking/
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naaa i am a friendly drunk

maybe i am misreading it ,not arguing as i said i dont even own a cell phone so dont know squat about "jailbreaking" other then it gains "root" for software enhancment , but the way i read it is you can not unlock the carrier even with jailbreaking and stay within the DMCA
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naaa i am a friendly drunk

maybe i am misreading it ,not arguing as i said i dont even own a cell phone so dont know squat about "jailbreaking" other then it gains "root" for software enhancment , but the way i read it is you can not unlock the carrier even with jailbreaking and stay within the DMCA
It's locked by the sim card/chip. Rooting just replaces the os.

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It's locked by the sim card/chip. Rooting just replaces the os.

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so jailbreaking does not mod the firmware to unlock the sim ?
if so, i understand why its still legal and has nothing to do with this new changes to the DMCA and unlocking legally owned phones without permission from the orig carrier
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It's locked by the sim card/chip. Rooting just replaces the os.

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Rooting actually only gives you root access. It doesn't modify the OS. Installing a different ROM could replace the OS.
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What about "found" unlocked phones?
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Oh noooooooo cell phone police now!!!!!!!
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so jailbreaking does not mod the firmware to unlock the sim ?
if so, i understand why its still legal and has nothing to do with this new changes to the DMCA and unlocking legally owned phones without permission from the orig carrier
Nope, my phone is rooted and sim still lock.

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its the same as record labels crying about downloading... this too will pass when they figure out there is no way to police it.
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is there some kind of database that the carriers share where if they see something unlocked, they'll report? i don't unlock phones but it'd be nice if i want to switch carrier but don't want a new phone.
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I am sure that "it's Bush's[/Republican's] fault, and you're a racist..."


I have 2 phones that don't even have a Cyanogenmod build (or any 2.3 for those yet), so this is crap, as those will have to be replaced so the lady doesn't get pissed upon "new phone time"...
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Its nonsensical. The big carriers already have their fees when you cancel to cover themselves. You own the phone.

Bull****.
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I do not own or carry a GPS beacon..
You can turn off the GPS locator features, and the cell tower locator features too, on most phones, I think.

I've always wondered if those settings can be overriden by the phone company, in order to track you, if say the cops asked them to or showed them a warrant.
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Exactly! But to use their network, you need to abide by their rules.

Kinda like owning a vehicle.
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This is a rather strange law really, in some countries (eg. Singapore), the reverse is true. It is illegal for the service providers to lock the phones to them, this allows for easier change of provider.
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Exactly! But to use their network, you need to abide by their rules.

Kinda like owning a vehicle.
You understand what unlocking is right? You are not affecting their network, only what networks your phone is able to use.

You pay a fee if you cancel before your contract is up. That is your punishment. They shouldnt be able to tell you that you cant use another carrier when you have satisfied your contract or paid the contract cancellation fee.
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Also this only applies to phone bought from no on. While this is still bull**** its a non issue for some of us currently. However I plan on getting a new phone eventually so I will be fighting/*****ing about this.

And good info about Rooting. Rooting does only give you root access it does not change the ROM. ROMs are still built off of the original OS however they are tweaked. To call them different operating systems would be inaccurate. Popular example would be the CM Roms. CM10 is based of of Jellybean the most recent OS update to the Android OS. There are multiple versions of CM10, as well as different ROMs entirely.

Someone can correct me if Im wrong.
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Derivative ROM=One reworked from orig. stock

A.O.S.P. / From source=Cyanogen, or the like... includes little (if any) from stock ROM that came on your phone...

Rooting give you complete access to remove stock apps, or change the ROM at will in general if avail.
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The new prohibition really only affects cellphone users who aren't good at math. Cellphone contracts and subsidised phones have always been a losing proposition for the consumer.

Don't like the new rules? I don't either -- it is a flagrant abuse of consumer rights -- but easy to circumvent. Never renew a cellphone contract, never buy a locked phone. If everyone followed those two principles the major carriers would have that ruling turned over pretty quick.
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I'll never buy another Motorola due to the Locking of the bootloader in the Droid2 and DroidX, w/no way to unlock nor better the device.

I am not sure I will ever go back to Verizon because of this either...
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You understand what unlocking is right? You are not affecting their network, only what networks your phone is able to use.
Ahhh, I forgot about using it on other carrier networks.

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You pay a fee if you cancel before your contract is up. That is your punishment. They shouldnt be able to tell you that you cant use another carrier when you have satisfied your contract or paid the contract cancellation fee.
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I understand where they are coming from if you were able to get out of the contract and they take a hit. However like I said thats not the case.

Glad I cleared it up for ya
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I'll never buy another Motorola due to the Locking of the bootloader in the Droid2 and DroidX, w/no way to unlock nor better the device.

I am not sure I will ever go back to Verizon because of this either...
I rooted my Droid X?

I deleted so much bloat ware... thats the only reason I rooted it too. I didnt even flash ROMs until I got my Nexus.
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I thought courts ruled that you can do what you want with your device once you pay for it.

I remember this was because Sony tried to sue someone for modifying a PS3.
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I rooted my Droid X?

I deleted so much bloat ware... thats the only reason I rooted it too. I didnt even flash ROMs until I got my Nexus.
Probably before they dropped the update. I was able to root a used DroidX, after an update, but it took dropping a full image of EU firmware on it to be able to run a root exploit on it, and now no NTSC, just PAL, so no HDMI on my home TV.

I read that after the I believe it was referenced as 6.21, a SBF downgrade was required to be able to exploit it. I had root on my Droid2, but since it was out of service (and I changed providers) I did a manual upgrade (stupid me) to MY Droid2, and then couldn't gain root access, so I had to drop EU firmware on that too to get root... and can't replace the ROM anymore due to the bootloader & kernel being locked or something. Now I use the Droid2 as a one-trick-pony, AKA dashcam.
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1> The logic is, if they subsidize your phone, they have the right to lock the phone to their network until it's paid off. Just like if you rent a car in CA, Enterprise will only travel in CA, OR, and NV, or you have to pay more (don't know if this still true, I rent Alamo now). Or you can think of it as a lien on your car title. If you buy factory unlock phone, then you can use it anywhere you want since you actually own it.

2> OK, what if I unlock my phone? what are they gonna do about it? nada !!! Since ATT and Verizon are not cops, they can't enforce the law. Ban me from their network? Well, they don't get pay handsomely every 1st of the month.

3> Ok, it's copyright violation. So is pirated DVD and download stuff. See how well the law is enforced. They are most likely to go after service providers, rather than end users, since it's not cost effective. But then, do you think China will hand their people over for that?

All in all, it doesn't change much of anything.
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Probably before they dropped the update. I was able to root a used DroidX, after an update, but it took dropping a full image of EU firmware on it to be able to run a root exploit on it, and now no NTSC, just PAL, so no HDMI on my home TV.

I read that after the I believe it was referenced as 6.21, a SBF downgrade was required to be able to exploit it. I had root on my Droid2, but since it was out of service (and I changed providers) I did a manual upgrade (stupid me) to MY Droid2, and then couldn't gain root access, so I had to drop EU firmware on that too to get root... and can't replace the ROM anymore due to the bootloader & kernel being locked or something. Now I use the Droid2 as a one-trick-pony, AKA dashcam.
oh man thats lame. The Nexus is so easy to unlock and root Ive heard. I just use the programs to do it for me. I dont manually insert in the commands. Im not that smart... haha
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This is why many phones are comming unlocked from the actual phone company, I know the iphone5 is unlocked on all its carriers, and I think the S3 is also...
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Don't do this. Don't do that. Anyone feeling overburdened with regulations?
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Next you won't be able to have more than 10 numbers in your auto dial. Can you imagine what havoc one person could cause by letting him contact 20 or 30 friends at a time.
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