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Old 01-15-2013, 11:13 PM
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Getting so tired of this
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"The bill would further
prohibit a personal firearm importer from importing a firearm that
is a .50 BMG rifle or a destructive device."

So that means, even if I'm on the waiting list for a .50 cal upper I woudlnt be able to get it?
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Can the information collected from this law be exempt from FOIA?
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Old 02-06-2013, 3:47 PM
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As others have asked, how do we fight this?
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Old 02-06-2013, 4:54 PM
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"The bill would further
prohibit a personal firearm importer from importing a firearm that
is a .50 BMG rifle or a destructive device."

So that means, even if I'm on the waiting list for a .50 cal upper I woudlnt be able to get it?
For CA, a 'personal firearm importer' is someone moving to CA from another state (or country).

A .50 caliber upper might possibly be questioned if it were .50 BMG, and if it were, one certainly should not assemble it to a lower inside CA. It would also probably be helpful if you had another upper or two for a lower. Having just one of each might Give The Wrong Impression.
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:52 AM
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Guess I will be establishing residence in Nevada or Idaho sometime soon. Can you say cache.
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I must have been sleeping under a rock as I just found out about it today!

This is leading up to full gun registration and eventually confiscation.

1. Department of Homeland Security buying 2 billion rounds of ammunition (hollow tips rounds which are banned by the Geneva convention, DHS uses 15 million rounds per year so they now have enough ammo to last over 100 hundred years against U.S. citizens? It would take 30 years of fighting in IRAQ to go through that much ammunition. Roughly 7 rounds for every U.S. citizen. Why does DHS need much ammunition?

2. U.S. Government has or in the process of building an internet kill switch like Egypt.

3. Drones will now start patrolling the skies.

4. Executive Orders being added each year to take.away our freedoms.

5. Cameras and eventually microphones being added to every stop light.

Etc..etc..etc..

The U.S. Government is turning this country into a police state to handle the VERY POSSIBLE civil unrest that is coming.

The civil unrest will emerge from the coming economic crisis.

China, Russia, India are buying oil from Iran using gold, more countries are moving away from the petrodollar (convert currency to U.S. dollars to buy oil).

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I must have been sleeping under a rock as I just found out about it today!

This is leading up to full gun registration and eventually confiscation.

1. Department of Homeland Security buying 2 billion rounds of ammunition (hollow tips rounds which are banned by the Geneva convention, DHS uses 15 million rounds per year so they now have enough ammo to last over 100 hundred years against U.S. citizens? It would take 30 years of fighting in IRAQ to go through that much ammunition. Roughly 7 rounds for every U.S. citizen. Why does DHS need much ammunition?

2. U.S. Government has or in the process of building an internet kill switch like Egypt.

3. Drones will now start patrolling the skies.

4. Executive Orders being added each year to take.away our freedoms.

5. Cameras and eventually microphones being added to every stop light.

Etc..etc..etc..

The U.S. Government is turning this country into a police state to handle the VERY POSSIBLE civil unrest that is coming.

The civil unrest will emerge from the coming economic crisis.

China, Russia, India are buying oil from Iran using gold, more countries are moving away from the petrodollar (convert currency to U.S. dollars to buy oil).

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOwZwkhFemQ
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(hollow tips rounds which are banned by the Geneva convention . . . . .
I don't disagree with anything in your post, except this.

You meant The Hague Convention, not Geneva, and the St. Petersburg Declaration.

And that was for international warfare, so it would be legal for our government to mow us own with hollow points.
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I don't know how many California gun owners and 2A supporters would get off their couches to see this to fruition, but here is what I'd like to see.

504,760+ signatures to put on the ballot a referendum to overturn this law.
(you folks thinking or planning on moving away - feel free to stick around if this happens)

I know it would be tough. Someone will say "we already register handguns. What's so wrong with this." I simply think that it's time for us to stop always being on the defensive. If we really think the government needs not to know what we own (firearms or whatever) perhaps we should stand up and make ourselves heard. Sure we could wait for a court to overturn this (don't hold your breath), but the voters need to give the legislature a good reprimand like this, hopefully to put a brake on their insanity.

Who's in?
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I'm all for it...

...but you'll get a lot of defeatism here on CalGuns to the idea...

=8-)
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Signed October 9, 2011, the referendum had to be filed, all complete, by 90 days after that: " Enactment Date: The date the Governor signs the bill."

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A proponent has only 90 days from the date of the enactment of a bill (or in the case of a redistricting map, the date a final map is certified to the Secretary of State) to request and receive a title and summary from the Attorney General (Elections Code § 9006(a) allows 10 days for the preparation of the title and summary), print petitions, gather the required number of valid signatures, and file the petitions with the county elections officials.
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ball.../referenda.htm

Window has closed. (Early January 2012).
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Old 03-09-2013, 7:50 PM
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I'm all for it...

...but you'll get a lot of defeatism here on CalGuns to the idea...

=8-)
That's what I expect. A lot of talk and little else. It's like
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You do the hard work & let me know when freedom's here again.

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Old 03-09-2013, 8:06 PM
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So we were lazy and now can't do a referendum. That's ok. I think they're confusing by design. "Hey, I got this on the ballot. Please vote NO."

We should do an initiative or constitutional amendment then. Can't we ever be proactive???
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So we were lazy and now can't do a referendum. That's ok. I think they're confusing by design. "Hey, I got this on the ballot. Please vote NO."

We should do an initiative or constitutional amendment then. Can't we ever be proactive???
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=156804

There's a thread here in 2A - http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=713867 - that suggests a way to test the expected success of such an effort.
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thanks, I'll comment over there.
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Is there going to be a lawsuit filed for this law?????
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Brilliant, definitely the thing to do. Just renewed my CG Membership this week too. Go get 'em.

What are the odds of this passing?
LOL...it's already passed. You're too late. Where were you? Will go into effect 1/1/14
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LOL...it's already passed. You're too late. Where were you? Will go into effect 1/1/14
You'll notice that aermotor made that post several months before the bill passed.
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LOL...it's already passed. You're too late. Where were you? Will go into effect 1/1/14
It pretty much doesn't matter since no pro-gun referendum would pass statewide and we know this to be certain given the majority elect anti-gun legislators. We are reduced to relying on the courts to uphold the rights of the minority of Californians who exercise their 2nd Amendment right, as distasteful and demoralizing as that is, it is our reality as residents of this state and the demographic trends are trending against us. I write, I call, I donate, and will not given up, but let's no castigate ourselves for a failure against all odds.
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