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Old 01-17-2013, 1:31 PM
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Exclamation Hello from the BLM... Hollister Field Office

Hello Everyone,

My name is David Moore and I work for the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), Hollister Field Office. We manage Public Lands ranging from the northern San Luis Obispo County line to the southern edge of the Bay Area and from the Pacific Ocean over to Interstate 5.

I notice a lot of questions on here regarding shooting on BLM lands and we'd like to have an opportunity to clarify anything that comes up.

The most popular lands available for shooting within our boundary are Panoche and Tumey Hills off of the I-5 corridor and Williams Hill off of the I-101 corridor. These areas have quite a bit of information about them on our website as well as downloadable maps.

http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/hollister.html

We are looking for input regarding severe, repeated vandalism in the Tumey Hills. We have reached a point where we are going to have to consider closures of some areas if things don't change. Our restrooms, signs and information centers are being shot up faster than we can repair them.

Any ideas from this group would be very welcome in trying to find a solution that works for everyone.


(I spend a great deal of time in the field, so it may take a few days for me to get back to the forum to reply.)


Thanks,
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Old 01-18-2013, 4:25 AM
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Hi David!!
Thanks for stopping by and reaching out. I am a little further north in the Sacramento area and I have been working on organizing my own clean up efforts up in the Foresthill area of the foothills. We were supposed to do our first clean up this weekend but scheduling and safety issues pushed things back a little.

Although It might be hard for me to make it to these areas myself I would love to help you get things off the groung and organized. I'll make a few more posts around Calguns and spread the word.

We have an "official" range clean up section here:
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Welcome David! I don't have much free time these days but would be willing to help out if I am able
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Tagged to ask other BLM related questions later.

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Old 01-18-2013, 6:42 AM
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This sucks tumey is one of my favorite place's to shot. David I would be willing to help if we arranged a clean up!
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Old 01-18-2013, 6:57 AM
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Tagged. It is a shame to hear about the vandalism. There are always a few idiots ruining things for the majority of us that actually care and clean up after ourselves. I am down to help if we can find a day where I can get out there.
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Wow cool. Its nice to be able to get the scoop from someone who actually works within the BLM.

As per your question, I'm sure there's some small preventative measures that can be done to curb some of the negative and harmful activities on the land, although I doubt we'll get people to stop acting like buffoons. If we figure the answer to that then we could cure society

Short of having better family units or strong role models for these individuals during their developmental years, I'm afraid it will continue to happen. Lol

What we can do is the same the thing we've been doing in society as a whole. Try to off set the actions of the crappy people by the actions of the good people.

Organize cleanups, repairs, spreading the word of potential closures etc.
Maybe our calguns community could step up the initiative
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Old 01-18-2013, 7:02 PM
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Hi David,
I somewhat frequent Panoche area (specifically Grizwold) for the last 6 months or so.

I was there last weekend and came home with a 2 gallon bag of spent shotgun shells and 2 quart bags full of regular brass. If I had a bigger bag, I would have left with more

For the most part, it appears to be in good condition in terms of no shot up signs. But the amount of debris is starting to accumulate across the ravine... especially shotgun clays

Out of curiosity, when did the picnic area and bathroom get put up? I had not been in a few years and was shocked the first time
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Hi David,

I went to Panoche for the first time a few weeks back and it looked really nice entering from the Mercey Springs side. Even the toilet area.

I'm really interested in the section of Panoche in the south accessed from the east from I-5 and Panoche Road. There is what looks like a long flat section for a nice safe long shot. This is just north of Tumey. Is there potential there or not accessible?

Thanks,
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Old 01-18-2013, 8:11 PM
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Wow!! Thanks you for taking the time to drop us a line here.

Welcome to the community.
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if i was even remotely close id be there to help out i hope others in the area reach out to you.
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Old 01-19-2013, 4:19 AM
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Welcome, David!

I'm not in that area but I am sure some of the members who are local can help keep an eye on things. Nobody likes to see facilities being destroyed.
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Put me down for a clean-up party help. I might be able to supply some dumpster space also.
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Old 01-19-2013, 7:58 AM
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I am in to help as well!
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Old 01-19-2013, 8:42 AM
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Regarding suggestions to deter people from vandalizing the facilities/signs/etc....I HATE to say it.....but if you put up wireless security cameras.....people's gonna think "I better no mess around.....they're gonna get my face and car license plate and come after me if I do something bad".
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Old 01-19-2013, 10:22 AM
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We did that over our dumpster with FAKE cameras and they were promptly destroyed by people who didn't want to be seen.

Volunteers who want to help clean might be the only option.
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Old 01-24-2013, 1:26 PM
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I live in the area and would participate in a cleanup. I'd suggest maybe large, highly visible signs that state in a very simple way that vandalism=land closures, but those signs will likely be shot to hell by idiots.

I was at Tumey last month and some moron had shot up the bathrooms recently, the concrete fragments were still strewn about the bathroom. Makes me sick.
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Nice that you reach out to the law abiding gun owners that is something we dont see much with government workers.
I would assure you that if any of us witnessed suck acts it would be reported that type of behavior paints us in a bad light.
I do not use your areas, but I do use BLM land down south and so far I have mostly had good experiances with your rangers.
You might have them brush up on some of the gun laws though because most of them haven't got a clue.
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Old 01-24-2013, 4:23 PM
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Anyone who lives in this area and knows where these places are, please, get a few friends together and help David out. Send a PM to people here who have expressed interest and have them bring their friends also. It has been said that if you post clean up dates in the forum people will go trash it again after you are done so it helps to keep things a little private.

You can skim through the Calguns Range Cleanups section to find out what works best for tools and techniques if you are looking for ideas. Usually the local dump will take the trash for free if you call and coordinate it with local officials like David, boots are typically a must, things like that.
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Old 01-24-2013, 4:23 PM
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Anyone who lives in this area and knows where these places are, please, get a few friends together and help David out. Take a trip out and bring some trash back with you. Send a PM to people here who have expressed interest here in this forum and have them bring their friends also. It has been said that if you post clean up dates in the forum people will go trash the location after you are done so it helps to keep things a little private and plan most of the even by PM.

You can skim through the Calguns Range Cleanups section to find out what works best for tools and techniques if you are looking for ideas. Usually the local dump will take the trash for free if you call and coordinate it with local officials like David, boots are typically a must, things like that.
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I just went out there last weekend! what a great place! I/we left with more brass than we put out, and picked up any misc. trash that had been left laying around. we went past the first turn out and went in at the 2nd entrance. A great place, it's too bad that there is always some idiot to ruin things for the good folks... I hope things get better.
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You need wireless solar powered cameras with object detection & remote logging. Then you will have videos of the people shooting & if they destroy things, you'll know what they look like. Big brother but no other way to deal
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Thank you everyone for the offers of help. If you do coordinate any cleanups, simply drop me a line via phone or email and we can go pick it up and drop it at the dump. If you give me a large enough lead time, I can provide contractor-grade trash bags prior to the cleanup.

Cameras: Our Law Enforcement has met with limited success using cameras for the reasons stated above. They are trying something new, so we'll see how that turns out.

Shooting guidelines: I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, but I never miss an opportunity for a plug.
- You must be 150 YARDS from ANY developed site (picnic areas, restrooms, etc.) to shoot. This means the Griswold Hills picnic area and immediate vicinity are NOT open to shooting. You need to hike up the ridge to get far enough away to be legal. Same with Tumey Hills picnic area.
- You need to shoot into a hill (proper 'backstop')
- You may not shoot across a road or trail
- "Pack it in, pack it out", and this includes brass. Clay pigeons should be cleaned up, too. They may be 'biodegradable', but only after 10+ years.

Really our two main issues are dumping (for targets) and shooting vandalism of the recreation facilities and signs. One of the larger signs like those on the County road cost $1,200 with shipping. That doesn't even include the labor to install them.

If the current trend continues, we may be looking to do some outreach to various hunting/shooting clubs. If you don't mind, what are some of the clubs represented here on CalGuns, such as Ducks Unlimited, etc.?

Thank you for your time and input. The Boy Scouts just did a clean up out there, so I'll post here when there's enough garbage to do another one.

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Peoples going to hate me for bringing this up....how bout drones?
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Drones? FAA issues aside, how big do you think the BLM's budget is? Maybe somebody can donate a sign that says "this area patrolled by aircraft" to scare away the idiots, but they'd need to be pretty dumb to believe it. As far as scary signage goes the usual approach seems to be more along the lines of "using firearms to destroy public property is a violation of xxxxx, yyyyy, and zzzzz and is punishable by up to n years in PMITA prison."
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As entertaining of a thought as that is, one drone would cost WAY more than our entire office annual budget. DOD and Intelligence agencies are the only ones who get to play with drones, not us $poor land management agencies.

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Although I am nowhere near your op area David, I just wanted to comment how nice it is of you to come here and make yourself available to our members!

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Thank you everyone for the words of welcome. I have every confidence that we will be able to get a handle on these issues with help from you.

All the best,
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David,

It’s wonderful to have you here. Many of us enjoy and cherish our time spent on BLM land to pursue our hobbies. Anything we can do to help keep BLM land open and clean is game with us!

Welcome to Calguns.
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