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Default Breaking: VP Biden- New gun controls likely won't end shootings

Biden let's the cat out of the bag after dancing on the graves of children. H/T @marklevinshow

"Nothing we're going to do is going to fundamentally alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting or guarantee that we will bring gun deaths down to 1,000 a year from what it is now," Biden told reporters Thursday afternoon after he spent over an hour lunching with Democratic senators at the Capitol.




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Vice President Joe Biden acknowledged that new gun laws would not "fundamentally alter" the likelihood of another mass shooting, though he insisted there has been a "sea change" in American views on guns in the wake of Newtown.
"Nothing we're going to do is going to fundamentally alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting or guarantee that we will bring gun deaths down to 1,000 a year from what it is now," Biden told reporters Thursday afternoon after he spent over an hour lunching with Democratic senators at the Capitol.
"But there are things that we can do, demonstrably can do, that have virtually zero impact on your Second Amendment right to own a weapon for both self defense and recreation that can save some lives," he said.
Biden was on the Hill to help sell a package of changes to the nation's gun laws that President Barack Obama is pushing in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., shootings that killed 20 elementary school children and six adults. The president wants an assault weapons ban, limits on the size of gun magazines, universal background checks and a federal gun trafficking statute.
The 1994 assault-weapons ban was allowed to expire in 2004, and there had been little appetite to reenact it.
Still, that was before Newtown -- and the vice president insisted Thursday that the tragedy there changed the public's attitudes toward gun-safety legislation, a reality that would make new firearms regulations possible.
"I'm not saying there's an absolute consensus on all these things," Biden said, "but there is a sea change, a sea change in the attitudes of the American people. I believe the American people will not understand -- and I know that everyone in that caucus understands -- they won't understand if we don't act.
"The visual image of those 20 innocent children being riddled with bullets has, has absolutely, not only traumatized the nation, but it has caused-- like the straw that broke the camel's back."
As evidence, he pointed to what he said was new support from evangelical Christian groups for some gun regulation. Biden told reporters that support from conservative religious groups that represent largely rural constituencies was different than it's been during past legislative fights over guns.
Biden said he did not watch a gun violence hearing the Senate Judiciary Committee held Thursday; at that hearing, Democrats and gun-violence victims clashed with Republicans and the National Rifle Association over whether universal background checks would reduce gun crimes.
Biden on Wednesday met with former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and her husband, Mark Kelly, who both testified at the Senate hearing.
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Delayed Reaction much, Mr. Biden?
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Biden was told by the president to look at what will and won't work. He did.

Actually it sounds like he did a pretty good job of it with the quote he gave in the OP.

He is now telling the truth after hearing all sides. I'm no Biden fan but whats wrong with his conclusion from THIS administration?
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Finally something worth hearing.
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That - right there - is funny, and a little scary at the same time.

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That was so inappropriate and uncalled for. I love it!!!!!
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That - right there - is funny, and a little scary at the same time.

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Are the Dems starting to realize that They will lose EVERYTHING if this CRAP goes through? lol.
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"Nothing we're going to do is going to fundamentally alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting or guarantee that we will bring gun deaths down to 1,000 a year from what it is now," Biden told reporters Thursday afternoon after he spent over an hour lunching with Democratic senators at the Capitol."

It's called: Wait for the BUT!!!!
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Delayed Reaction much, Mr. Biden?
He waited for all the hot-heads to cool down. I like it. Let's see the fallout now and how the media will demonise him.
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He admits it won't help - but wants to do it anyway.
"We have to do something, this is something".
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This seems like a preemptive strike at their proposed laws failing. So when their laws are ineffective, nobody can claim they were deceived.
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Biden was told by the president to look at what will and won't work. He did.

Actually it sounds like he did a pretty good job of it with the quote he gave in the OP.

He is now telling the truth after hearing all sides. I'm no Biden fan but whats wrong with his conclusion from THIS administration?
Because within the same article, Biden states that even though new regulations won't do crap, AR15's and such should be banned anyway. It's one thing for a politician to be wrong, it at least leaves the possibility that they can be shown the truth and let their opinion change. This guy admits the obvious but still wants to take guns from law-abiding citizens, which is what their ban would do.
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There are some things you can't "un-read." The horror...the horror...

Welp, back to eye bleaching...heh, heh.
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Because within the same article, Biden states that even though new regulations won't do crap, AR15's and such should be banned anyway. It's one thing for a politician to be wrong, it at least leaves the possibility that they can be shown the truth and let their opinion change. This guy admits the obvious but still wants to take guns from law-abiding citizens, which is what their ban would do.
This is exactly what I got out of it also. He is saying nothing we do will stop it, but we have to do something to show people we are doing something. And yes he is still proposing gun control and saying it isn't infringing on the 2nd amendment.
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Again, isn't Biden the guy that said "we may be wrong in what we're doing, but at least we believe in what we're doing," or something to that effect...
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Biden let's the cat out of the bag after dancing on the graves of children. H/T @marklevinshow

"Nothing we're going to do is going to fundamentally alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting or guarantee that we will bring gun deaths down to 1,000 a year from what it is now," Biden told reporters Thursday afternoon after he spent over an hour lunching with Democratic senators at the Capitol.




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Vice President Joe Biden acknowledged that new gun laws would not "fundamentally alter" the likelihood of another mass shooting, though he insisted there has been a "sea change" in American views on guns in the wake of Newtown.
"Nothing we're going to do is going to fundamentally alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting or guarantee that we will bring gun deaths down to 1,000 a year from what it is now," Biden told reporters Thursday afternoon after he spent over an hour lunching with Democratic senators at the Capitol.
"But there are things that we can do, demonstrably can do, that have virtually zero impact on your Second Amendment right to own a weapon for both self defense and recreation that can save some lives," he said.
Biden was on the Hill to help sell a package of changes to the nation's gun laws that President Barack Obama is pushing in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., shootings that killed 20 elementary school children and six adults. The president wants an assault weapons ban, limits on the size of gun magazines, universal background checks and a federal gun trafficking statute.
The 1994 assault-weapons ban was allowed to expire in 2004, and there had been little appetite to reenact it.
Still, that was before Newtown -- and the vice president insisted Thursday that the tragedy there changed the public's attitudes toward gun-safety legislation, a reality that would make new firearms regulations possible.
"I'm not saying there's an absolute consensus on all these things," Biden said, "but there is a sea change, a sea change in the attitudes of the American people. I believe the American people will not understand -- and I know that everyone in that caucus understands -- they won't understand if we don't act.
"The visual image of those 20 innocent children being riddled with bullets has, has absolutely, not only traumatized the nation, but it has caused-- like the straw that broke the camel's back."
As evidence, he pointed to what he said was new support from evangelical Christian groups for some gun regulation. Biden told reporters that support from conservative religious groups that represent largely rural constituencies was different than it's been during past legislative fights over guns.
Biden said he did not watch a gun violence hearing the Senate Judiciary Committee held Thursday; at that hearing, Democrats and gun-violence victims clashed with Republicans and the National Rifle Association over whether universal background checks would reduce gun crimes.
Biden on Wednesday met with former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and her husband, Mark Kelly, who both testified at the Senate hearing.
well by golly, if the Dems woulda known all this; they wouldnt have taken the whole 2A supporters on a ride to hell and back....(unless it's in the plans, already..!!) (putting on my tin foil hat, haha)
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Is that kind of garbage really necessary in this forum?

Oh, c'mon. Its funny! Funny matters. ESPECIALLY lately.

Besides, wasn't the trip to the "eye bleaching" site worthwhile?


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He is now telling the truth after hearing all sides. I'm no Biden fan but whats wrong with his conclusion from THIS administration?
His conclusion is correct and true, but the problem is that even though he came to this conclusion (possibly all by himself), he is still pushing for all the gun control his puppet master is calling for. Now if he said something along the lines of......

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The bold is my interpretation of what he should say for the American gun owners to get behind him.

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I just read the first few comments. Pretty predictable. "If it saves just one life..." "Inaction is unaccptable! We have to do something!"

Yeah, do something even if it's useless and punishes the law-abiding, and stomps on our rights.
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Biden was told by the president to look at what will and won't work. He did.

Actually it sounds like he did a pretty good job of it with the quote he gave in the OP.

He is now telling the truth after hearing all sides. I'm no Biden fan but whats wrong with his conclusion from THIS administration?
While your conclusion is possible, I'd bet it's just a late CYA. They were well aware that new bans would have no effect. So any ineffectual action they took would come back to haunt them later. Pure politics IMO.
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