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Old 01-26-2013, 6:16 PM
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I am already a member of the NRA, SAF and GOA.

Is the CRPA worth joining / donating to?
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Yes!

They are in Sacramento tracking and working with legislation with our interests and support many shooting sports. Look at their newsletter, "The Firing Line".

The president likes to demonize, lets not let him demonize just one group such as the NRA, but 'keep and bear' many groups all that perform various functions that keep the opposition on their toes.

Maxine Waters recently said John Boehner was a "Demon"!

If that is the case, then our President keeps Unions and small Demons as pets.

Back in the early days of the Catholic church, when the center of church was divided between Rome and France, one Pope noted the other Pope "kept small demons as pets"; guess we are back to constructive criticism...
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You should probably do some background reading:

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Sounds like CRPA is a drama zone. I'd say to the OP to give to CGF.
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Is CRPA the main organization that lobbies our Representatives in California?
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From what I've gleaned from the new letters, CRPA holds a few banquets where the board members dress up in tuxedos and they sponsor competitions, including air rifles, which I do not consider to be firearms.

It really looks like a few guys who've found a nice way to earn a living and have some fun at the same time. I never hear anything about them in the news.
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From what I've gleaned from the new letters, CRPA holds a few banquets where the board members dress up in tuxedos and they sponsor competitions, including air rifles, which I do not consider to be firearms.

It really looks like a few guys who've found a nice way to earn a living and have some fun at the same time. I never hear anything about them in the news.
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Is CRPA the main organization that lobbies our Representatives in California?
As an alternative lobbying group look at the GOC.

http://www.gunownersca.com/


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From what I've gleaned from the new letters, CRPA holds a few banquets where the board members dress up in tuxedos and they sponsor competitions, including air rifles, which I do not consider to be firearms.

It really looks like a few guys who've found a nice way to earn a living and have some fun at the same time. I never hear anything about them in the news.
For several years, I held an annual membership in the CRPA, but I was fairly disappointed with it. I haven't renewed my membership for a couple years, though, because my impression was that they were more concerned about the banquets and such. I was also hesitant to donate in addition to my annual membership fees, because it was never really clear to me how the money was being used.
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Well, on thing is CRPA is recognized by CMP. A CRPA membership qualifies you to buy ammo and. with a live fire cert. firearms from them.
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From my experience as a board member of a non-profit (not the CRPA) banquets usually generate funds. Often in substantial amounts. Considering that the CRPA, at least in part, uses its funds to pay for a rather effective lobbyist in Sacramento, I find the complaints on this issue hard to understand.
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From my experience as a board member of a non-profit (not the CRPA) banquets usually generate funds. Often in substantial amounts. Considering that the CRPA, at least in part, uses its funds to pay for a rather effective lobbyist in Sacramento, I find the complaints on this issue hard to understand.
How do you define effective? I'm not questioning your statement so much as asking whether this is a measurable quality.
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Yes, and be careful of those with personal agendas, on both sides of CRPA.
Actually the NRA is the lead org in Sacramento.

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From my experience as a board member of a non-profit (not the CRPA) banquets usually generate funds. Often in substantial amounts. Considering that the CRPA, at least in part, uses its funds to pay for a rather effective lobbyist in Sacramento, I find the complaints on this issue hard to understand.
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http://www.gunownersca.com/


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How do you define effective? I'm not questioning your statement so much as asking whether this is a measurable quality.
Obviously my statement was qualitative, not quantitative. I based it on what I have heard from people actually working in Sacramento. As I recall, I have also seen CGF board members say as much.
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Seems that you made $6,000 from the banquets. Not a huge sum, but better than cost neutral. Also I notice there is quite a bit of revenue attributed to a general "Fundraising" category. I wonder if some of that might be directly or indirectly attributable to the banquets. In any case seems like a harmless activity, not too different from many things calgunners enjoy. Hardly a reason not to join or donate.
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Seems that you made $6,000 from the banquets. Not a huge sum, but better than cost neutral. Also I notice there is quite a bit of revenue attributed to a general "Fundraising" category. I wonder if some of that might be directly or indirectly attributable to the banquets. In any case seems like a harmless activity, not too different from many things calgunners enjoy. Hardly a reason not to join or donate.
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Seems that you made $6,000 from the banquets. Not a huge sum, but better than cost neutral. Also I notice there is quite a bit of revenue attributed to a general "Fundraising" category. I wonder if some of that might be directly or indirectly attributable to the banquets. In any case seems like a harmless activity, not too different from many things calgunners enjoy. Hardly a reason not to join or donate.
Not a harmless activity if it becomes the prominent feature of your own newsletter and gives the impression that your organization is more about social activities than about lobbying, activism and shooting.

From the news letter and financial information I've seen, it really does appear to me that there a few people making $100,000+ per year and throwing themselves banquets while doing so. I don't see being on the board of CRPA being a full-time employment position, so that seems excessive. I'd much rather see outreach at shooting ranges, literature in gun stores and much more frequent community activities to introduce new people to the sport than the glad handing and back slapping that occurs at those banquets.
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Ultimately it's a different option and a way for those seeking comprehensive news, information
You know how I feel about CRPA, my displeasure has not changed but, Certainly more gun rights orgs are better than less. You partial quote above can really be said about most orgs. NO?

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While certainly not a scietific poll by any measure, it is interesting that (so far) 12 respondants would rather give $350 to either NRA-ILA, CGF, or SAF, rather than use the money to purchase a life membership in CRPA.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=692276

It's a real shame, though, because it seems like an organization like CRPA should be an important component of supporting the 2nd Amendment here in California, but based on the apparently bad perception out there, it's hard to imagine that they are actually effective or that the negative perception of them is misguided.
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While certainly not a scietific poll by any measure, it is interesting that (so far) 12 respondants would rather give $350 to either NRA-ILA, CGF, or SAF, rather than use the money to purchase a life membership in CRPA.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=692276

It's a real shame, though, because it seems like an organization like CRPA should be an important component of supporting the 2nd Amendment here in California, but based on the apparently bad perception out there, it's hard to imagine that they are actually effective or that the negative perception of them is misguided.

CRPA has a very good lobbyist in Sac. A yearly membership would not hurt you and help 2A in this state. Bottom line! I am not a CRPA fan, but they do have the only CA lobbyist in this state worth beans other than our local NRA lobbyist. At least that I know of.
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CRPA has a very good lobbyist in Sac. A yearly membership would not hurt you and help 2A in this state. Bottom line! I am not a CRPA fan, but they do have the only CA lobbyist in this state worth beans other than our local NRA lobbyist. At least that I know of.
Thanks for the perspective. I just spent $83 for a 5-year membership. Maybe I'm throwing my money away, and maybe I'm not. Earlier today, I was contemplating the life membership option, so I guess this actually saves me some money.

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I'm sorry, was that supposed to be an intelligent argument? Are you suggesting that we should not donate to the CRPA?
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I'm sorry, was that supposed to be an intelligent argument? Are you suggesting that we should not donate to the CRPA?
To your first inquiry, it was lighthearted and in the context of our cause. Perhaps you're not familiar enough with gun culture to recognize it.

To your second inquiry, not at all. In fact, I encourage people to become members and demand from us better leadership and higher return on their investment.

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Thanks very much for your membership and your support!

I can assure you, you won't be disappointed!

Great things are happening at CRPA and despite the considearble challenges ahead, we are going to fight like hell...........!!!!!
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CRPA is not only involved in lobbying. They are also very active in promoting competitive shooting in California. The California High Power Rifle Team competes in Camp Perry under their banner. Recently, they issued a $14,000 grant to the Los Angeles Rifle & Revolver Club in order to purchase electronic targets for training the next generation of Olympic shooters.

Combined with what I know of their lobbying efforts in Sacramento, I'm sold on CRPA. I'm a member and plan to become a lifer at the first opportunity. Screw the naysayers.

PS I'm also an NRA member and make regular donations to Calguns.

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CRPA is not only involved in lobbying. They are also very active in promoting competitive shooting in California. The California High Power Rifle Team competes in Camp Perry under their banner. Recently, they issued a $14,000 grant to the Los Angeles Rifle & Revolver Club in order to purchase electronic targets for training the next generation of Olympic shooters.

Combined with what I know of their lobbying efforts in Sacramento, I'm sold on CRPA. I'm a member and plan to become a lifer at the first opportunity. Screw the naysayers.

PS I'm also an NRA member and make regular donations to Calguns.
What percentage of the total CRPA budget is spent on competition support? What percentage is spent on administration?
What percentage on lobbying?
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CRPA choses not to reform without additional pressure placed. Those of us who think that's a shame have better things to do at this exact moment, like stepping into the voids left by an ineffective CRPA.

When things calm back down the SaveCRPA project is likely to get new focus.

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CRPA choses not to reform without additional pressure placed.

Or, Brandon jumped the gun and took peoples money without a well thought out plan of attack.




Those of us who think that's a shame have better things to do at this exact moment,


Or, we really tried but really didn't want to go much further. We had a bad plan.





like stepping into the voids left by an ineffective CRPA.

Or, we found a place that would work with us


When things calm back down the SaveCRPA project is likely to get new focus.

Or, Perhaps this will come back from the dead in our next life?

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John, you've sunk to a new low - which is really quite impressive given your record.
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