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Old 01-30-2013, 11:13 AM
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Default supposed I'm sailing from Alaska to SF with AR-15, how far offshore.....

do I need to install a BB, etc?
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:17 AM
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You are within federal waters at 12 miles out, and in california when you cross the low water line

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Old 01-30-2013, 11:27 AM
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I'll say the state has jurisdiction up to 3 nautical miles offshore.

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This is assuming the vessel is US registered. If it was UK registered, for example, you could have other issues.

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Old 01-30-2013, 12:11 PM
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Make ca legal before docking in Kalifornia.
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Patchouli and BO? It is SF after all.
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Loss of rifle in a boating accident.....Your doing it right!
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Do they let you shoot your AR off the back like they do with shotguns? Put the BB on before you dock and especially before any locals board the vessel.
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ALL my guns were lost at sea yesterday I went sailing in my Lido to Hawaii and I hit a big gust and capsized all my suppies and weapons were all lost. I had to sail back and when I was about 4 miles out the boat sank too. I had to spraed my wings and fly the rest of the way back. AND thats my sorty and I'm sticking to it. Thats what i'll tell them thru the peep hole. If they bash the door in they are getting a not so nice surprise.
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You are within federal waters at 12 miles out, and in california when you cross the low water line

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What is the low water line?

State waters extend from the mean high tide line to 3 nautical miles. Look on a chart. This is why all the stupid state MLPAs stop at 3 NM. Also note this 3NM line extends from all the islands in area too. So if you were camping at San Clemente in an anchorage you are under state jurisdiction.

Also bear in mind that CA state LEOs (like game wardens) can enforce federal laws out to the the fed lines. (Really here though you are looking at fishing violations like the cowcod area.)

I would really love to see a case where someone got stopped for boarding in the Catalina channel with a non-bullet buttoned AR and 30 rounders. Middle of the channel, state law shouldn't apply. (And no I am not going to volunteer for that role)

And know that no matter where you are, if you are a US flagged vessel the Coast Guard can board you anywhere in the world.
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Make ca legal before docking 3 miles of any land mass or man made structure like piers etc in Kalifornia.
There fixed it for ya..Comrade.
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The correct answer should be 3 miles from shore (note that in Socal, that includes islands so it can be functionally far more than 3 miles from the coast.) However, there are some strange California cases from the prohibition era that have to do with gambling/booze boats offshore from California that should be consulted for surety. That said, yes USCG or DHS can board you anytime, anywhere, but I can tell you that they do not tend to enforce California law unless accompanied by a CA LEO. That almost never happens offshore but often happens in inland waterways like the SF Bay and Delta.

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The correct answer should be 3 miles from shore (note that in Socal, that includes islands so it can be functionally far more than 3 miles from the coast.) However, there are some strange California cases from the prohibition era that have to do with gambling/booze boats offshore from California that should be consulted for surety. That said, yes USCG or DHS can board you anytime, anywhere, but I can tell you that they do not tend to enforce California law unless accompanied by a CA LEO. That almost never happens offshore but often happens in inland waterways like the SF Bay and Delta.

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The correct answer should be 3 miles from shore (note that in Socal, that includes islands so it can be functionally far more than 3 miles from the coast.) However, there are some strange California cases from the prohibition era that have to do with gambling/booze boats offshore from California that should be consulted for surety. That said, yes USCG or DHS can board you anytime, anywhere, but I can tell you that they do not tend to enforce California law unless accompanied by a CA LEO. That almost never happens offshore but often happens in inland waterways like the SF Bay and Delta.

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Gene's right about the three mile limit for the enforcement of state criminal statutes.

There is limited authority to enforce certain health and safety laws within the contiguous zone (out to 24 miles). There is currently an effort by the SCAQMD to enforce low-sulphur fuel oil requirements on ships passing within 24 miles of the coast.

Assuming that you're on a U.S. flagged vessel, the Coast Guard can board you anywhere except within another state's territorial sea (and even then with that state's permission). I spent a number of years in the CG and was a designated boarding officer. The Coast Guard isn't concerned with state law provisions. On some occasions, the CG will embark a state officer and that could cause issues.
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I'd just throw one of those kydex california compliance grips on as opposed to the BB. Might be easier to do while sailing.
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I'd just throw one of those kydex california compliance grips on as opposed to the BB. Might be easier to do while sailing.
Given you don't have any evil features. I have a forward hand grip, telescoping stock and all the trimmings. A kidex doesn't cover that. Not trying to be a jerk just wanted others to remember.
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I say deploy the Gene before the anti's contaminate any more of our precious bodily fluids.... I only just became aware of this "contamination" during the physical act of love.
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By asking this question while still in AK, you have committed a California thoughtcrime. In fact, just being from states abbreviated "AR" and "AK" is now a crime in California as well.
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Given you don't have any evil features. I have a forward hand grip, telescoping stock and all the trimmings. A kidex doesn't cover that. Not trying to be a jerk just wanted others to remember.
Absolutely correct. Only thought of what I had in my safe when I responded and that if I lived elsewhere I wouldn't want a BB.
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I don't see the word "Canada" yet.

Don't want those Crazy Canucks busting you for importing an evil rifle into their waters. Which limit line should be considered while passing Canada? 12nm, 24nm?
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if you have a "floating house" 15 miles off the coast of CA, can it be stored with non-BB ARs and high cap mags?
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I don't see the word "Canada" yet.

Don't want those Crazy Canucks busting you for importing an evil rifle into their waters. Which limit line should be considered while passing Canada? 12nm, 24nm?
Burbur,

The best answer is 12 nautical miles.

Check the web for details of the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention. It is the source of international law on the question. A lot of folks still think of the "three mile" line. It changed to 12 through the convention. Once you're inside the 12 mile line, all of Canada's laws apply.

The convention also recognized the right of states to enforce laws pertaining to immigration, customs, currency and sanitation out to 24 miles. I could see a Canadian official viewing your weapon as a customs issue and claiming the 24 mile limit.

Be aware that there is a disputed area in Dixon Entrance where both the U.S. and Canada claim the same water. By agreement, each nation will only enforce its laws on their own nationals within the disputed area. This was a constant source of irritation when I was doing Coast Guard boardings up there.
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