2013 is going to be rough year for Gun Owners

[Insight.556]

Agreed 100%. There are so many emotional arguments being made (on both sides lately) of the 2A issue that it is difficult to keep a level head sometimes.

Just keep your eye on the prize ladies, and gentleman. Untied we stand, divided we fall (sorry if that's a bit cliche). Dedication to achieving the goal, respectfully educating antis/fence sitters, as well as actively supporting proponents of our cause (be it financially, donating time, or even signing Pro 2A Petitions or writing your political representatives) is what will win us the day.

Thank you, and God Bless all that are "in the trenches" fighting the good fight. Good luck everyone, and take care.

[NHP1127]

This fight was long overdue. It also pushed me to buy a lifetime membership to the NRA.

This current gun grab has backfired. There are hundreds of thousands of AR's, longrifles and shotguns in the hands of new gun owners.

[Pointcrossed]

This generation WILL be the last generation of gun owners in the US if these laws are passed.

[the86d]

Originally Posted by Pointcrossed

This generation WILL be the last generation of gun owners in the US if these laws are passed.

Not if I move my family to a free-state that already is blocking it...
I think more decent-influences would be beneficial to my children, and the lady and I have been really discussing it, and she is a Democrat (clearly not the Socialist pinko-commie type..).

[Pointcrossed]

Originally Posted by the86d

Not if I move my family to a free-state that already is blocking it...
I think more decent-influences would be beneficial to my children, and the lady and I have been really discussing it, and she is a Democrat (clearly not the Socialist pinko-commie type..).

I have several questions to clear up. Confused and don't understand.

You already live in a place that displays the best example of modern day tyranny. So you rather leave your home where you live now to move somewhere you have more freedoms?

Ok excuse my historical inaccuracies, but I think the people that came here about 300-400 years ago moved to a free state for the same reasons, and it was not about the guns, then but people needed a way to defend themselves. Today, where you live, do you legally have the right to defend yourself and your family today?

So how long do you think that free-state will block it? and block what? a gun ban? is all this really about guns or is it "just the start"?

I know this may be unrelated to this specific issue but has anyone in California ever really wondered why the cost of living there is so high?

[hk_ashen]

Originally Posted by Pointcrossed

has anyone in California ever really wondered why the cost of living there is so high?

The weather?

[Pointcrossed]

If we still have to fight for our 2A rights, they were already taken away...

[the86d]

Originally Posted by Pointcrossed

...Confused and don't understand.

Indeed.

Originally Posted by Pointcrossed

You already live in a place that displays the best example of modern day tyranny. So you rather leave your home where you live now to move somewhere you have more freedoms?

Ok excuse my historical inaccuracies, but I think the people that came here about 300-400 years ago moved to a free state for the same reasons, and it was not about the guns, then but people needed a way to defend themselves. Today, where you live, do you legally have the right to defend yourself and your family today?

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness property, right? Well if I cannot defend my property, then what is the point in staying here (this state)? If someone enters my home and I shoot them, I could be sued by their family for THEM committing a crime, or planning on a felony (B&E right?), and I can go to jail and lose my rights. I cannot even walk outside with a rifle at the ready anymore if someone is breaking into my car, or even trying to steal it in this state.

In TX if someone steals a $20 from you, you can legally shoot them IN THE BACK while they run with it. THAT is decency that I want my children to understand, cause and effect... not this liberal BS, over-regulation of EPA-pushed bull, tolerance of immoral behavior that they teach our kids, not to mention the CPS getting involved for disciplining your kids in the normal fashion. I have researched a city in a free-state's AVG temps (and max high/lows), natural disasters, firearm laws, castle laws, etc, and it looks like we have ducks in a row... now that I just refinanced and can rent my home for a few hundred dollars more a month than my mortgage is. No more Yee, or Feinstein pushing communist agenda on us would be a good thing.

Originally Posted by Pointcrossed

So how long do you think that free-state will block it? and block what? a gun ban? is all this really about guns or is it "just the start"?

The 10th Amendment, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=10th+amendment ...

Originally Posted by Pointcrossed

I know this may be unrelated to this specific issue but has anyone in California ever really wondered why the cost of living there is so high?

To support communists, and their lifestyle... and so they can push Liberal agenda and pay for people get in the wagon, and never push/pull it.

[retiredAFcop]

Originally Posted by desertexplore

Keep converting the anti's and neutrals to our side. I have a neutral adult female friend who wants to go to the range with me this week.

Keep pushing forward!

This is actually one of our most effective tools for changing public opinion -unfortunately it takes a long time to do this one friend at a time. Inviting someone to go shooting can change their viewpoint - even if they don't take you up on the offer.

I was in a discussion on FB with some guys I went to high school with back int he day, and they were demonizing AR-15s - saying things like "You are probably a safe and sane gun owner, and you'd never own something as dangerous as that AR-15 assault rifle - nobody needs a machine gun". My response was to invite them to come shooting with me, and a promise to let them fire one of my ARs, so they could see what a great target rifle it is, how the safety features work, and give them a chance to see why it is such a popular rifle. Neither took me up on the offer, but one of them has stopped calling AR-15s "Assault rifles", and has become a bit more moderate about anti-gun comments.

When you introduce someone to safe and legal shooting, you remove some of the barriers they have and reduce their ignorance.

Just make sure you take them to a legitimate range - where shooters are safe and polite. You want them to have a positive firearms experience, not to play into stereotypes of irresponsible hooligans or rednecks playing with guns in an unsafe manner.

[LCSportsman]

Question here about CA ammo.

I can't remember if the CA ammo law passed or not?

CA residents cannot buy from catalogs or online?

TRUE or FALSE?

Thanks

Bob
N.CA

[Cnynrat]

If you are referring to the DeLeon handgun ammo bill of a few years back, it passed and subsequently was ruled unconstitutionally vague. Currently there are no prohibitions at the state level against buying ammo online.

I believe some local governments may have prohibitions against on line ammo purchases.

[Hallucinosis]

I have taken every opportunity to argue in defense of out rights lately with friends, aquaintances, and strangers. So many of my anti-gun friends and acquaintances are so vastly uninformed on issues surrounding guns and violence that it isn't long before I expose the flaws in their facts. Most of the time these people are smart enough that when they realise the facts are in my favor they just stop participating in the debate. Many have made just flagarantly wrong statements, like "pistol grips make it easier to fire from the hip and shoot more people." When I point out that pistol grips put your wrist at a less natural angle than traditioinal rifle stocks when held at the hip and that hip fire sacrafices virtually all of the advantage in stability and accuracy of having a stock to your shoulder, they end their involvement in the debate with me.

I remain respectful and logical throughout this, because they always like to say the pro gun argument is emotional. Sure it is, I am passionate about my rights, but when I support my arguments with facts and they rely on fear, uncertainty, and doubt, well, that is a win for me.

[wpage]

Communications is the key. Educate your friends and neighbors so they understand. Let your family know what is real...
This is about the future.

[jmdove]

Damn good thread guys. Damn good! The media is most
definitely a problem here. They handed obama the election and
we all know they are now trying hard to get obama/feinstein's
gun ban going. How do we counteract that? Twitter comes to mind
and facebook. More people tune into those now days.

[Moonshine]

Those of you who just think you can move are only going to find temporary freedom. Look at what is going on in Colorado and the fact Nevada now consistently is a blue state in presidential elections...

As for no grandfathering that is clearly unconstitutional because it is ex post facto. Nuff said.