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Old 01-18-2013, 4:57 PM
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I've been there done that! I kicked the sh*t out of a neighbor (he hit me with a beer bottle first) and had a TRO. I got a deputy at the door telling me to stay 500' away, which I stated was impossible since I live in SoCal and he lives next door. Basically it was a no contact order, which he later rescinded when his wife reminded him that he started and before the altercation I asked him to get out of my garage.
So... your point is that if you had applied oil to yourself and sealed yourself inside a PVC pipe, you wouldn't have gotten into the fight? Just trying to keep it on-topic, lol.
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So... your point is that if you had applied oil to yourself and sealed yourself inside a PVC pipe, you wouldn't have gotten into the fight? Just trying to keep it on-topic, lol.
Don't talk to him about oiling up and sliding in somewhere. He may get the wrong idea.
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On the other hand, I think this bit is probably true:

If you think it's time to start burying guns, it's time to dig them up.
that makes perfect sense.
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I think it won't hurt if I combine all of the above suggestions, I can use my wife's Foodsaver thingy, vacuum seal it. then put it inside PVC pipe with dessicants. Then stuff the PVC pipe inside long wooden munition box.
Exactly what I did. I use Mobil 1 bearing grease, lubed up the rifle, threw a few desiccant bags and Oxygen absorber into a food vaccum bag and had the machine pull all the air out. Make sure its the heavy duty bags, the thinner bags punctures when it gets vacuumed up against any metal edges. I also threw in a few hundred rounds of ammo in the vacuum bagged rifle.

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... I would put the barreled action, bolt, any other metal parts into a 6" PVC tube with a glued cap on one end. I would then fill the tube with synthetic motor oil, filled as full as I could. Then glue a cap on the other end. Then I would insert that sealed pipe into either an 8" or 10" PVC pipe with a glued cap on one end. I would then fill that tube with silica gel, put a PVC saw in it, and cap the other end with a gasketed screw on cap.

What do you guys think?
I like the idea of fully submersing the rifle in motor oil in a sealed tube, its a lot simpler and the PVC is stronger than the vacuum bag.

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Old 01-18-2013, 6:38 PM
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FWIW I'd also venture that any kind of cap or seal will be a ***** to remove after a year or two and it will *not* be fun to dig the whole thing out.

I like the idea of a tube in a tube or something along those lines. I'd like to hear more about anybody with suggestions on where to bury one. Not everybody has a back yard

Thanks for the links , I'm checking them out now
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Personally I wouldn't bury it. I would keep at least one near me with ammo near it for defense and the rest would be locked up in a safe.
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Actually the reason why I wanted to stash at least one of my firearms ( preferrably my stainless Ruger mini 14 with Hogue overmolded stock) in my BOL, is that I wanted something to have something to protect me and mine when SHTF, and I am away from my home and almost impossible to get there.
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Just an idea:

When you are done burying and its time to throw camouflaging nails and things, do not just stand over the cache and throw it in a circle outward.

It seems that in the hypothetical scenario where someone would be searching for a cache, what they would learn to do is scan the area with a few man metal detector team and place stakes whenever they get a "beep" or hit. In a little while they will have a general circle then go to the middle of that circle and start digging.

Using that thought throw your nails and things tactically.
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Just an idea:

When you are done burying and its time to throw camouflaging nails and things, do not just stand over the cache and throw it in a circle outward.

It seems that in the hypothetical scenario where someone would be searching for a cache, what they would learn to do is scan the area with a few man metal detector team and place stakes whenever they get a "beep" or hit. In a little while they will have a general circle then go to the middle of that circle and start digging.

Using that thought throw your nails and things tactically.

maybe even make the shape of a raised middle finger just for fun!

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... I'd like to hear more about anybody with suggestions on where to bury one. Not everybody has a back yard
You can use mine.
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Sorry, not good at posting links yet. Mylar bags before you put into the pvc. Had a number burried in a 55 gallon drum, 8' below surface for over 10 years. Came out in perfect condition. They were broken down, oiled, wrapped in wax paper, then in the mylar bags, moisture obsorbers, heat sealed, then in the 55 gallon drum.

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Maybe, but they need a warrant to enter my home. I have R-49 insulation in my attic, they don't own a metal detector big enough to find them.

I think the police arresting me, someone filing a report against me, or someone going to court would tip off they may be interested in my guns. In which case I take all my long arms, load them in my truck and park it in a trusted neighbor's drive way. Then I load my pistols into my safe, hide the key which de-activates the combo and claim it's empty.

Sounds like a great plan, and you got all your bases covered!
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I am thinking about picking up one of these to package my handguns and ammo then place in a PVC pipe, don't think it would work to well for a long gun.

http://www.foodsaver.com/product.aspx?pid=9902
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:47 PM
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I am thinking about picking up one of these to package my handguns and ammo then place in a PVC pipe, don't think it would work to well for a long gun.

http://www.foodsaver.com/product.aspx?pid=9902
It actually works quite well. You can get rolls of pleated bags that will fit a full rifle. If you seal the bag on the moist setting, it won't puncture the bag. Throw in a couple of desiccant packs before sealing it and you're good to go.
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Wherever you guys decide to bury your G&A, remember this:

Never ever ever ever ever ever EVER EVER bury your guns and ammo in your backyard. That's what your neighbor's backyard is for.
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Yes!!!! My next door neighbor a very good friend of mine is going to take a month vacation next month. Wink, wink wink!!!!!!
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So, You Want to Bury Your Guns?
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Thanks Tripper! So I am better off using Mylar instead of my wife's food saver.
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Thanks Tripper! So I am better off using Mylar instead of my wife's food saver.
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Use the food saver to do the work, just on Mylar instead of the food saver bags
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I think it won't hurt if I combine all of the above suggestions, I can use my wife's Foodsaver thingy, vacuum seal it. then put it inside PVC pipe with dessicants. Then stuff the PVC pipe inside long wooden munition box.
Don't make my mistake, put away the wife's foodsaver!!!
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Thanks Tripper! So I am better off using Mylar instead of my wife's food saver.
Dont forget to put the gun and mylar bag in the freezer for 3 days to kill all the bug larvae, before you bury it.
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you guys mentioned scattering bits of metal around to discourage metal detector enthusiasts from finding your cache. I have a couple points to bring up about this. Current gen detectors can cancel out ferrous signals, the shot/washers/firearm, right? sounds like good news, but actually large ferrous targets can be picked up pretty deep and will override the cancelling setting. I strongly suggest bringing some thick rebar to bury as randomly as possible (without centering your stash) around your hole. After digging a few pieces of rusted rebar I would ignore any large targets, without it, in the middle of the forest i would totally dig out one massive anomalous target-and end up with your gun. On second thought maybe cable or chain would be better, i would assume there was some logging trash there.....

anyway, thats my two cents...
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Liking the idea of the back wall of a closet or attic better then in the ground...

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Cut a rip of drywall out next to where your water pipes or plumbing is ran in the wall. Place item next to pipes oiled and bagged. Re drywall area. Item is now safe and dry for years to come and metal detectors will not notice an anomalie, just the pipes where they should be in the wall.
If burying in the earth. Try to bury as vertical as possible. Also dig at the edge of a thick concrete slab and get your item vertical underneath it. Most well poured slabs have rebar in it that would drive any metal detector insane. If you are really paranoid, throw down loose nails or steel bearings in all your surrounding soil. In a few month s all those decoys will naturally sink below the surface level.
In a truely free country we would still be able to keep our rifles in a beautiful hardwood cabinet with glass doors. If we taught our children not to play with them and gave them a good moral upbringing they would not need so many governing laws when they became adults.
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Don't like the idea of having guns in the wall next to pipes. Too much heat change and sweat.

Back or side of a large closet and re-texture and paint it. You can store most AR based guns between the studs and you are good to go. Add a fire block between the studs and drill a hole and you have a rifle holder. Lots of room to stack mags and ammo also.
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Don't like the idea of having guns in the wall next to pipes. Too much heat change and sweat.

Back or side of a large closet and re-texture and paint it. You can store most AR based guns between the studs and you are good to go. Add a fire block between the studs and drill a hole and you have a rifle holder. Lots of room to stack mags and ammo also.
I like the hole in the fire block idea.
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Store ammo in same manner in seperate PVC pipe but leave out the oxygen absorbers. Not sure how the powder will react to a no oxygen environment for a long period of time.
it is already in no ox, if it were not sealed, powder would absord moister....
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This cache kept the stuff secret but not dry! Found in Israel

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Bury deep or satellites can see the temperature differences. I know Customs finds drugs with thermal imagery. Anything that is nearer the surface and is not ground temperature can show up.
They actually can see "disturbed" dirt so making a hole is the problem. Make sure your hole is under trees or in a cave or maybe under a large rock.
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I do agree with the recommendations on prep to inhibit rust, however, you may want to consider not gluing the ends of the PVC. How will you open it when SHTF??

Rather, prep the firearm, and seal it up in a food saver bag (with a descant and O2 absorber). When you need it, you won't need tools to open the pipe, only a knife to cut the food saver bag.
Buddy I'm pretty sure the guy will have a saw next to his shovel when he starts digging.
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Ok....a looonnngggg time ago I knew of a certain person...cough,cough....who's resemblance to me is purely coincidental...who went away...on "vacation" for a a couple of years.

Prior to his "vacation" he choice to bury some items for safe keeping until he could recover them when needed.

Lessons learned:

Deeper is better (this can apply to many things!...but I regress). Some of the storage tubes that where only a foot under the dirt sweated/condensated badly. Caused by temp fluctuations.
The items three to four feet down did not have this problem.

Any metal items....even stainless steel need to be covered in oil or grease then wrapped in plastic and placed in the storage tube (10" PVC is what was used).

Use LOTS of desiccant packs! They now have anti rust paper and "chips" (often seen in reloading dies) that I would look into as well.

Make sure you KNOW EXACTLY where you bury your stuff. LOL....trust me...being off by a few inches can cause panic! And even after just a year or two, things can look different when it is time to try and dig them up.

Good luck to you. I personally can understand the desire to want to have something put away "just in case".

A better solution IMHO is go out of town or out of state and rent a long term storage unit. DO NOT use a credit card to pay for it. A indoor one if preferable to outdoor ones for firearms.
DO NOT store inside rifle/gun case for any long term and again use lots of oil/anti rust products.

Along with a few guns and ammo you might stash some money, MRE's,etc. Chances are if you NEED to get to your guns in that type of situation, you will need food,water, and money as well.
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