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Old 01-24-2013, 8:38 PM
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Default I can't decide on a water filter...

I have a well at my house, and I want a filter to be able to drink the water should the need arrise.

I was originally thinking a Big Berkee, but some of their current quality issues have me balking. That and the price is a little high.

Now I'm thinking of something smaller and more portable like a Katadyn Combi. That would give me a little more flexibility.

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Is the water quality questionable? (contaminated?)

We are on a well, we use a in-line filter for the fridge water despenser/ice maker. We keep a Brita filter pitcher in the fridge also. We have good quality water, we filter to improve taste and to catch the sediment.

"In the woods"... I use Katadyn pump, and gravity feed filters. The filter pump is part of my bug out/get home bag.

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If you have any individual filtration needs, take a look at my products here
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Get a reverse osmosis machine. Only way to get pure pure water.
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FIRST NEED XL.
The First Need XLE ELITE water purifier is the only purifier certified to EPA Standards (cysts, bacteria and viruses) without using chemicals.
It filters down to (to 0.1 microns).
I love my katadyn, but the First need is just the best.
And NO, I am not affiliated with them in any way. I just have tried numerous filters in my 20+ years of backpacking and nothing comes close. The ONLY downside is that it is slightly heavier.
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swayer is great and cheap and is doing great things for people over seas.
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Sawyer Point Zero Two.
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+1 First Need XL. Like the above poster stated, only EPA approved filter that gets rid of all the nasties. You won' t find a negative review on it from people who drink water that is more questionable than anything I'll probably drink in my lifetime.
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I have a well at my house, and I want a filter to be able to drink the water should the need arrise.

I was originally thinking a Big Berkee, but some of their current quality issues have me balking. That and the price is a little high.

Now I'm thinking of something smaller and more portable like a Katadyn Combi. That would give me a little more flexibility.

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Get the Berkey and extra filters.
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They also make more portable madels and are selling to Cali again.
They also last a long time and filter cleanup is easy.
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I'm a fan of the Sawyer PointZeroTwo Purifier. With its .02 Micron absolute hollow fiber membrane purifier, it filters bacteria, cysts, and yes, even viruses. They have a cheaper PointOne model (.1 Micron) that does not claim to filter out viruses.

As for any filter claiming to be "the only EPA approved filter," consider that according to the CDC the EPA does not approve or test filters. If someone is willing to mislead you about such a thing, what else are they misleading you about? Three organizations do test water purification systems and certify if they meet or exceed ANSI/NSF or EPA standards: NSF International, Underwriters Laboratory, and the Water Quality Association.

NSF International
P.O. Box 130140
Ann Arbor, MI 48113-0140
877-8-NSF-HELP; (877) 867-3435
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Underwriter’s Laboratories, Inc.
333 Pfingsten Road
Northbrook, IN 60062-2096
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www.UL.com/water
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Water Quality Association
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I use a Katadyn Pocket as well.

It's pricy but also filters 13k gallons of water on a single filter.

I picked mine up new in the box from ebay (still sealed and everything). The thing is built like a truck.

I also carry tabs and a lifestraw as backups. Although camping I've never needed anything but the pocket.
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I use a Katadyn Pocket as well.

It's pricy but also filters 13k gallons of water on a single filter.
The Sawyer Point Zero Two purifies 264,000 gallons of water on a single filter - including viruses.
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The Sawyer Point Zero Two purifies 264,000 gallons of water on a single filter - including viruses.
Yeah those are interesting. Don't they have to be used with a bucket or some sort of large container? Like it wouldn't be ideal to take it hiking/camping becuase you can't filter directly from a stream, right? At least that's what I had thought. I hope I'm wrong.

They seem to be great for home use (where you have buckets and containers) but not so great if you are on the move with a pack and just want to fill your water bladder and go.

What are your thoughts/info on it?
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Yeah those are interesting. Don't they have to be used with a bucket or some sort of large container? Like it wouldn't be ideal to take it hiking/camping becuase you can't filter directly from a stream, right? At least that's what I had thought. I hope I'm wrong.

They seem to be great for home use (where you have buckets and containers) but not so great if you are on the move with a pack and just want to fill your water bladder and go.

What are your thoughts/info on it?
The OP wanted something to filter water from a well at his house. So portability wasn't a big factor. But yes, the Sawyer Point Zero Two Purifier (SP191) requires a bucket or something similar to hold water.

If you want something for an indefinite bug-out using a backpack, use a Sawyer Complete Water Purifier System (SP194). It's good for 1,000,000 gallons.

If you want something small for a get-home-bag, use a Sawyer Squeeze Water Filtration System (SP131). It only weighs 3 ounces.

And if you don't think viruses are important in the US, think of the viruses that will appear out of nowhere with dead bodies all over the place in the aftermath of a SHTF scenario. The SP194 and SP191 will take care of those viruses.
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The OP wanted something to filter water from a well at his house. So portability wasn't a big factor. But yes, the Sawyer Point Zero Two Purifier (SP191) requires a bucket or something similar to hold water.

If you want something for an indefinite bug-out using a backpack, use a Sawyer Complete Water Purifier System (SP194). It's good for 1,000,000 gallons.

If you want something small for a get-home-bag, use a Sawyer Squeeze Water Filtration System (SP131). It only weighs 3 ounces.

And if you don't think viruses are important in the US, think of the viruses that will appear out of nowhere with dead bodies all over the place in the aftermath of a SHTF scenario. The SP194 and SP191 will take care of those viruses.
Oh I know, the op just mentioned wanting portability that's why I wanted to make sure I understood how that particular Sawyer worked as I had looked into it at one point.

I'll have to look into SP194. Thanks for the tip.

I wouldn't mind having another big capacity filter for sure. Redundancy is important to me.
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Oh I know, the op just mentioned wanting portability that's why I wanted to make sure I understood how that particular Sawyer worked as I had looked into it at one point.

I'll have to look into SP194. Thanks for the tip.

I wouldn't mind having another big capacity filter for sure. Redundancy is important to me.
Keep in mind the actual filter and misc. components of the Sawyer Zero Point Two are very small and light - and easily packable for bug-out. So if you can scavenge a bucket or bag or whatever you can to hold water along the way, you can still use it. You don't have to cart a bucket around with you.

I happen to have a SP191 in my bug-out bag. My wife's bug-out bag has the SP194. The house has an SP191. And our get-home-bags have SP131's.
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Ceramic-based filters like Katadyn or MSR, if you are going to be moving. Do NOT use any paper or membrane based unless you are filtering from a well. Katadyn also make "Expedition" version for larger groups. Size of a bicycle tire pump.

Problem in unknown or traveling situations is often mud or other contaminants. Paper-type filers cannot be cleaned like ceramic.

Have bet my life on Katadyn ceramics many times in remote parts of Sub- Sahara Africa. Handled extremes of pond-scum, algae-covered stagnant pools, standing rain-water in jungle, and down-stream from cattle crossings (grossest!). Both hand- filter and expedition versions. Carry the hand version plus 1-2 spares in my BOB as essential. Truck has Expedition version plus spares.

Get yourself some used 20-liter Swiss Army rubberized water bladders to hold clean water (eBay). They are nearly indestructible. Have carried them in jungle, desert, and on bed of trucks with guys sitting on them.

In my opinion, a "complete" portable water system includes a couple foldable water buckets (to carry unfiltered water), Katadyn or other high-end ceramic water filter plus spares, 3-liter camelbacks (preferable mil-spec), and 20-liter (5 gallon) Swiss army surplus water bladders.

Only thing the ceramic filters won't deal with is viruses and cholera. Has handled water containing dysentery, worms, and ghiardia with no problems for me. If cholera a danger, best to boil for 5+ minutes (full boil for 5, not just heating up), then filter too (takes out particles & mud). Or chlorine-based tabs or drops or bleach (2nd best, my opinion, but functional), then filter.

Btw, in East Africa, we calculated 1 liter per person, per hour - walking or riding. Just as point of reference. Don't know what military calculates - that was our experience. So 30 mile walk @ avg 3 miles per hour (incl rest stops) = 10 hours = minimum 10 liters per person needed to carry, or to find along the way. During dry season, means carry that much on your back, plus gear. Not fun, but necessary.

Trust me. Running out of water in middle of 30 mile hike is NOT an experience you ever want to have when the temps are over 110.

Last thing we often do, since dehydration is as much a risk as dysentery from bad water - we carry powdered Gatorade or similar. Diluted (never full strength), helps with hydration and taste of water from the rubber camelbacks. The sugar in Gatorade is heavy, so we keep the amount carried to minimum.
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+1 for Berkey. Makes LA tap water taste like a million bucks.
And it's a feasible SHTF mobile water system. Not shabby for $230 on amazon right now.
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I have a well at my house, and I want a filter to be able to drink the water should the need arrise.

I was originally thinking a Big Berkee, but some of their current quality issues have me balking. That and the price is a little high.

Now I'm thinking of something smaller and more portable like a Katadyn Combi. That would give me a little more flexibility.

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If you are certain of the waters potability and only want to remove color and odor, use a granulated activated carbon bed filter.

You can actually make a gravity feed filter with stuff lying around the house. It wont do the volume that a pressurized filter system will, but it will filter enough to keep you hydrated.
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Is the water quality questionable? (contaminated?)
My well water is better than the stuff that comes out of the municipal tap. Get it tested.
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The Sawyer point one has a gravity hanging kit that can attach to the bottom of a 5 gallon bucket...or larger. Best part is you can use it this way, or take it off and take it with you on the go in your BOB. I have it for my SAR Gear and it works great. But DO NOT let it freeze; it will ruin the filters effectiveness. Although it will look fine, it will not work to remove bacteria after it was frozen.

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First need, they are fantastic purifiers. Buy a few extra filters and some coffee filters and you'll be set.
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