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Old 01-24-2013, 10:14 PM
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Default 2013 CA AB 180 - Bonta - Registration and licensing of firearms: exclusive regulation

SEE post 21 below!!!! This bill has been amended to allow the city of Oakland to enact and enforce regulations on firearms which are MORE restrictive that the state by exempting them from state preemption with respect to registration and licensing of firearms!!!!



Will require ammunition behind the counter, rehashes the thumbprint recording, and a tax on the sale of all ammunition.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...201320140AB180

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AB 180, as introduced, Bonta. Ammunition.
Existing law prohibits a handgun ammunition vendor, as defined, from selling, offering for sale, or displaying for sale, any handgun ammunition in a manner that allows that ammunition to be accessible to a purchaser without the assistance of the vendor or employee thereof. Existing law requires, subject to exceptions, that handgun ammunition vendors obtain a thumbprint and other information from ammunition purchasers, as specified.
This bill would state the intent of the Legislature to enact legislation that would establish a tax on all ammunition sold in retail stores and gun shows in the state and direct tax revenue to a fund to prevent crime in high-crime areas of the state.
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The people of the State of California do enact as follows:


SECTION 1. It is the intent of the Legislature to enact legislation that would establish a tax on all ammunition sold in retail stores and gun shows in the state and direct the revenue from the tax to a high-crime prevention fund for crime prevention efforts in high-crime areas of the state.

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http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/po...&author=koretz

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Wow... Annoyed! Angry! Sad! Frustrated!
Guess its finally time to head to Oklahoma....
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Wow this POS just got elected last year! Kind of got the feeling he was a shifty motherf***er when I talked with in front of my doorstep last year.

All this crap about supporting small businesses and now this tax which squeezes revenue and sales from small businesses.
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I'd prefer to place him under citizen's arrest for violating and failing to uphold and defend the Constitution like all elected officials are required to do.
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I wonder what the pot smoking libtards would have to say about having their fingerprints taken and paying a tax for their medicine, same applies to alcohol/ics.
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Isnt ammo already taxed to hell? This guys a kook.
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Sounds like a sin tax, punish the responsible.
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The idea is if you can't ban it, tax it till most can't afford it.
ie Tobacco tax, fuel tax, etc.
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No bad idea in this state goes without being a law someday. This is just the start of the true stupidity of this state.
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But think about it. You can have a nice view of the beautiful beaches and the beautiful mountains and dont have to worry about wearing a jacket in the winter when you get your hour of yard time and the prison guards will have excelent pay and benifits and have all the legal protections that the state can provide to them..
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But think about it. You can have a nice view of the beautiful beaches and the beautiful mountains and dont have to worry about wearing a jacket in the winter when you get your hour of yard time and the prison guards will have excelent pay and benifits and have all the legal protections that the state can provide to them..
California is a great state....
I have to wear a jacket in the winter.

So do most of the folks up near Pelican Bay....

Effing cold up here.
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With the exception of the additional tax, the City of Los Angeles has had this law for some time now. Additionally, it has a law that forbids the sale of any ammo during the 10 days prior to the 4th of July and New Years. The Firing Line in Northridge closes during these periods as it can't sell any ammo their customers. I suppose the intent of the latter was supposed to end the firing of guns in the air as a celebration.

Guess it's not working: it is my understanding that on New Years, the cops have been told to park under a structure of some sort for the 5 minutes before and after midnight. Not sure what they do on July 4th.
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Will this onslaught never end?!!!

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Will this onslaught never end?!!!

I count 9 CA bills and 13 federal bills.

And it's only January 25th?

No, I don't think it will ever end.

EDIT: correction 26 (twenty-six) federal bills
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Existing law requires, subject to exceptions, that handgun ammunition vendors obtain a thumbprint and other information from ammunition purchasers, as specified.
I've never given a thumbprint for ammo purchases ... What are these exceptions it's talking about?
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Don't get me wrong this would suck. However, I'll just make a three hour drive to Nevada every few months and buy in bulk.
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I'd prefer to place him under citizen's arrest for violating and failing to uphold and defend the Constitution like all elected officials are required to do.
"Poll Taxes" - i.e. special taxes imposed on exercising your voting rights, are unconstitutional.
Special taxes imposed on exercising other rights are clearly similarly unconstitutional.

His proposal seeks to tax one group of people to pay a benefit to another group entirely, and clearly discriminates against a class of citizens (gun owners). It is vile and despicable.

Impeach him.
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This bill was amended today to only include Oakland? Okay...

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...201320140AB180
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3/19/2013 - This bill has been AMENDED to allow the city of Oakland to pass firearms laws more restrictive than the state - allows them go get around state preemption!!

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Registration and licensing of firearms: exclusive regulation by the Legislature.
Existing law states the intention of the Legislature to occupy the whole field of regulation of registration or licensing of commercially manufactured firearms as encompassed by the Penal Code to the exclusion of all local regulations.
This bill would provide an exception to those provisions by authorizing the City of Oakland to enact and enforce an ordinance or regulation that is more restrictive than state law regulating the registration or licensing of commercially manufactured firearms as encompassed by the Penal Code.
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Sweet!!! I love how politicians think they have a magic wand and everything is right just because they say so.

I hope this passes.
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so basically the whole thing was modified from an ammunition bill to a bill that would allow oakland to require registration and licensing, if they so desire? At least they picked a city where if you make everyone a criminal you havent really changed anything
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so basically the whole thing was modified from an ammunition bill to a bill that would allow oakland to require registration and licensing, if they so desire? At least they picked a city where if you make everyone a criminal you havent really changed anything
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Thanks for your support.
Hey, everybody was thinking it.
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So if you live in Oakland, you can't leave the city or state to purchase ammunition elsewhere?
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So if you live in Oakland, you can't leave the city or state to purchase ammunition elsewhere?
This bill was amended - it does not have an ammunition focus at this time. See post #21 above for more information.
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Thanks for your support.
You do have support. Although I can't speak for the post, it appears more like an offhand comment re Oakland (which is crime ridden) than a statement in support of the amendment. It has gotten so bad that friends of mine who are about as liberal as you can get and support much of the politics in Oakland are fed up and moving out. They have had repeated home burglaries, pay hefty taxes, and are unable to get help from the police. It's not the police fault but they have imposed priorities and simply can't create enough of a presence to deter such crime. These friends live in the hills in expensive homes with gates and security and still can't get protection. The end result is that Oakland will lose tax base/dollars and citizens that want to see it turn around.

As to the amendment, although it is specific to Oakland, it appears problematic for the state as a whole because if passed and upheld it will allow areas more antigun than the state as a whole to legislate around laws which are already too restrictive. The idea is that the State Law sets a floor for restrictiveness and allows localities to enact more but not less restrictive measures. This is the exact opposite of how we usually look at rights. For example, the Fed Const. sets a floor on what States must allow and generally allows States to recognize more freedoms if they so choose. If the basis of such "exemption" is that Oakland has a crime and illegal gun problem, the argument could be made that more rural areas or even urban areas that do not suffer like Oakland should similarly be allowed to create less restrictive laws than the state. This is not likely to happen in the current environment.
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You do have support. Although I can't speak for the post, it appears more like an offhand comment re Oakland (which is crime ridden) than a statement in support of the amendment. It has gotten so bad that friends of mine who are about as liberal as you can get and support much of the politics in Oakland are fed up and moving out. They have had repeated home burglaries, pay hefty taxes, and are unable to get help from the police. It's not the police fault but they have imposed priorities and simply can't create enough of a presence to deter such crime. These friends live in the hills in expensive homes with gates and security and still can't get protection. The end result is that Oakland will lose tax base/dollars and citizens that want to see it turn around.
I mostly agree on all counts and certainly cannot argue against any as it relates to crime in Oakland. I take issue with being generalized as a criminal or a pending criminal based solely on my zip code.
(and those in the hills are no more deserving than those in the flats, but I get your point about the tax base)
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What is the latest on this bill? I hear that there will be testimony on this this coming week. Is there anyone speaking against it?

What are the ramifications if this passes? Could it be good for more 2A-friendly cities who can introduce similar bills to exempt themselves from state gun laws? Would be too bad for Oaklanders though, who could be faced with Licensing and Registration....clearly a bad precedent, which could be followed by other cities.

Any chance of filing a lawsuit to get an injunction if things go that far?
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The anti's in Sacramento are casting jealous eyes at the situation in Illinois.
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The anti's in Sacramento are casting jealous eyes at the situation in Illinois.
not just that they wont be outdone by anyone in any state.
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So is this cart blanch for Oakland to write firearms law?
What exactly is going on here?
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As borrowed from here: http://www.ebcitizen.com/2013/05/bon...onger-gun.html

"Assembly Public Safety Committee passed Asssemblyman Rob Bonta’s AB 180 which would allow Oakland, if they choose, with an exception to state law pertaining to the registration and licensing of firearms within its borders and possibly heavily regulating their use."

Take a wild guess how many gun shops there are in Oakland.

Google Maps shows one. Just one.

I can't account for FFL's, but any business oriented individual wouldn't want to start anything up gun related in Oakland I'd imagine.

Another waste of taxpayer money and time.

For some reason when I see this...


...it looks identical to this...
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This is strictly a "feel good" move for Oakland because there are no gun shops in that city anymore, the progs having driven them out years ago. So now they pass a law that won't be enforced because there's no place to enforce it - but they did it "for the children."

Makes you feel all warm and runny, doesn't it?
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As borrowed from here: http://www.ebcitizen.com/2013/05/bon...onger-gun.html

"Assembly Public Safety Committee passed Asssemblyman Rob Bonta’s AB 180 which would allow Oakland, if they choose, with an exception to state law pertaining to the registration and licensing of firearms within its borders and possibly heavily regulating their use."

Take a wild guess how many gun shops there are in Oakland.

Google Maps shows one. Just one.

I can't account for FFL's, but any business oriented individual wouldn't want to start anything up gun related in Oakland I'd imagine.

Another waste of taxpayer money and time.

For some reason when I see this...


...it looks identical to this...
How dare you insult the beloved Shrek character Donkey? At least Donkey has principles and good character. Bonta is just another slimeball parasite feeding off of taxpayer money.
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This is the legislative equivalent to "just putting in the tip".

First Oakland enacts this law.
Then every major city in California does likewise.Eventually ,the smaller liberal suburbs will follow in lockstep.

Since we don't have case precedent against localized restrictions on carry,you end up with the situation in Illinois where the RKBA begins and ends at every individual city limit.
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Just hope that this nasty legislative virus doesn't spread any farther in the state (like across the bay).
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Old 05-13-2013, 9:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Ossa View Post
Just hope that this nasty legislative virus doesn't spread any farther in the state (like across the bay).
It will. Just give it time.
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